[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

You have absolutely NO data to back up the claim the 8 speed gave the Camaro a huge advantage. Have you seen a 6th gen SS with a 6 speed auto?

The auto may give the Mustang a tenth or two.. Same thing with increased power. I'd say it's probably possible for it to run 12.5 in magazine tests and better in some conditions in real world.

I think the Mustang will see a bigger gain from the A6 to A10 than some people are thinking. IIRC Didn't the challenger see a solid improvement from the A5 to the A8?

I still expect Camaro to hold the performance advantage tho, but I think the auto equipped models will be closer

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I think the Mustang will see a bigger gain from the A6 to A10 than some people are thinking. IIRC Didn't the challenger see a solid improvement from the A5 to the A8?

2 tenths from all the media tests I've seen. Here's the 2 from C&D:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-t-test-review

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mi-test-review


As for comments about 6th gen 6 vs 8 speed, it's not exactly apples to apples but Hot Rod did a full track day with both(M6 vs A8) using the same drivers. The split in times was around 2 tenths as well.

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/drag-...ith-jeff-lutz/

All said in done, the A10 coupled with an aggressive final ratio should be good for 3 tenths imo. I doubt the 10 vs 8 makes any real difference but that gearing (final ratio) is going to help make up the TQ deficiency from a dig.

[ULTRAZLS1]

The challenger gained 15 hp along with the a8.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

The challenger gained 15 hp along with the a8.

The 392s did, not the 5.7. That's why i used RT numbers and the Charger (since it only comes with the auto). Can't find any auto numbers before and after with the Challenger from same reviewer.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

The 392s did, not the 5.7. That's why i used RT numbers and the Charger (since it only comes with the auto). Can't find any auto numbers before and after with the Challenger from same reviewer.

Gotcha I didn't even look at the link

[Sol4rfl4re]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

You have absolutely NO data to back up the claim the 8 speed gave the Camaro a huge advantage. Have you seen a 6th gen SS with a 6 speed auto?

The auto may give the Mustang a tenth or two.. Same thing with increased power. I'd say it's probably possible for it to run 12.5 in magazine tests and better in some conditions in real world.

4th gen auto several tenths slower than 4th gen manual, 5th gen auto several tenths slower and 5th gen manual, 6th gen auto several tenths faster than 6th gen manual....you right, nothing points to the auto as being faster/ trend breaker.

Originally Posted by DGthe3

If 8 speed vs 6 speed is a huge advantage ... why are you claiming that 10 speed vs 8 is equivalent? Is Ford screwing something up on the new transmission that negates the advantage that closer ratios provide?

10spd and 8spds are new generation stuff, faster shifting, better torque converters for launching. 6R80 factory torque converter is poo.

[ChefBorOzzy]

The 5 speed auto in the LX cars is worse/slower than the 6 speed in Mustang.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

4th gen auto several tenths slower than 4th gen manual, 5th gen auto several tenths slower and 5th gen manual, 6th gen auto several tenths faster than 6th gen manual....you right, nothing points to the auto as being faster/ trend breaker.

Like I said, you have no proof of a HUGE advantage of the 8 speed vs 6 speed as a 6 speed 6th gen auto doesn't exist.

5th gen Camaro in automatic did not have the same amount of power as the manual so your comparison there is moot.

[Sol4rfl4re]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Like I said, you have no proof of a HUGE advantage of the 8 speed vs 6 speed as a 6 speed 6th gen auto doesn't exist.

5th gen Camaro in automatic did not have the same amount of power as the manual so your comparison there is moot.

Dude, Im talking about 8spd auto camaro vs the 6spd auto in the mustang. No one is saying 6gen camaro has a 6spd auto.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

Dude, Im talking about 8spd auto camaro vs the 6spd auto in the mustang. No one is saying 6gen camaro has a 6spd auto.

You are in no way proving that one of the transmissions has a huge 1/4 performance advantage. Where are the numbers to back it up? You said the Camaro got a huge advantage when it got the 8 speed. Prove it.

Both Auto Camaro and Auto Mustang run quicker than their manual counterparts. What's the spread for each?

Camaro very well could be 2 tenths quicker with 8 speed than 6 speed out of 5th gen or 6 speed out of Mustang, but there is no data to prove that.

What did the 10 speed F150 pick up by switching from 6 speed?

[ChefBorOzzy]

2015 6 speed vs 2017 10 speed. 2017 they tested weighs less and it has more power.

There is a larger difference between 0-100 between them, but I don't have the information to know why that increased difference is there.

[Sol4rfl4re]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

You are in no way proving that one of the transmissions has a huge 1/4 performance advantage. Where are the numbers to back it up? You said the Camaro got a huge advantage when it got the 8 speed. Prove it.

Both Auto Camaro and Auto Mustang run quicker than their manual counterparts. What's the spread for each?

Camaro very well could be 2 tenths quicker with 8 speed than 6 speed out of 5th gen or 6 speed out of Mustang, but there is no data to prove that.

What did the 10 speed F150 pick up by switching from 6 speed?

I dont own an f150 you do, you tell me. I figure about 3 tenths and a couple MPH.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

2 tenths from all the media tests I've seen. Here's the 2 from C&D:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-t-test-review

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mi-test-review


As for comments about 6th gen 6 vs 8 speed, it's not exactly apples to apples but Hot Rod did a full track day with both(M6 vs A8) using the same drivers. The split in times was around 2 tenths as well.

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/drag-...ith-jeff-lutz/

All said in done, the A10 coupled with an aggressive final ratio should be good for 3 tenths imo. I doubt the 10 vs 8 makes any real difference but that gearing (final ratio) is going to help make up the TQ deficiency from a dig.

Thanks for the info!

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

The 5 speed auto in the LX cars is worse/slower than the 6 speed in Mustang.

Also true

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

I dont own an f150 you do, you tell me. I figure about 3 tenths and a couple MPH.

Pretty sure he just showed you there was little difference in the case of the F150. I expect there will be a much bigger difference in the case of the GT from 17-18. How much of that can be attributed to solely the transmission is unknown. I think the tires suspension PP (finally in an auto for the Stang) and the torque control in drag mode would have a much larger effect on the 1/4 mile combined than just the transmission.

Regardless no one but a GM or Ford engineer can verify how much of an advantage the new transmission will be for the Mustang. Around a track I can see it being huge but on the strip... maybe only a tenth