[KyleL]

Originally Posted by S.T.A.R.

This no lift shift feature, is it always activated?

Yes, as long as you rev past 5500, I believe, you can keep your foot down and clutch/shift. I shift at redline and it has yet to bounce off the limiter/fuel cutoff, works just as it should. It takes some time to get used to if youve never had a car with it before or never really practiced it, but it's definitely fun and useful when racing since you never drop out of boost.

[wnta1ss]

A true dragstrip comparison between the ZL1 and HC needs the same conditions. What I mean is, at this time of year, the HC is not necessarily running the hero times either. I saw a couple HC the other night at the strip. The A8 Challenger HC with DRs best run was 11.51 (he showed me the slips), and saw HC Charger (unknown modded or not) run 12.2. So a bolt-on HC nowhere near the 10s, and an unknown-prep HC slower than that. If I focused on this, I could say that the HC is disappointingly slow. That is the problem with not getting the whole story. When the conditions at the strip are the same as what produced the 10sec bolt-on HC times, we will better learn how the ZL1 in stock and bolt-on form compares to them on the dragstrip.

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

A true dragstrip comparison between the ZL1 and HC needs the same conditions. What I mean is, at this time of year, the HC is not necessarily running the hero times either. I saw a couple HC the other night at the strip. The A8 Challenger HC with DRs best run was 11.51 (he showed me the slips), and saw HC Charger (unknown modded or not) run 12.2. So a bolt-on HC nowhere near the 10s, and an unknown-prep HC slower than that. If I focused on this, I could say that the HC is disappointingly slow. That is the problem with not getting the whole story. When the conditions at the strip are the same as what produced the 10sec bolt-on HC times, we will better learn how the ZL1 in stock and bolt-on form compares to them on the dragstrip.

Some of these times with the Hellcats leave me scratching my head. Makes me wonder if they have the proper settings, etc. There are so many settings in the HC that can influence your strip results, one thing not being in the right setting can hurt you significantly.

I remember one day I was at the strip with my 2014 GT500, which at the time had a tune, intake and throttle body. These cars usually trap anywhere from 125-128 stock, and I was modded. Because of the conditions that night (the air was actually soup) I was trapping around 120-122. Far off what I should of been trapping. I met up with a HC owner I knew from the forums and he knew how to race. His car was stock other than drag radials, and he was running 11 flat consistently, he said he's been 10.8's in better air. To me, 11 flat is still very impressive for stock power, especially in that air.

What's the actual elevation of the strip where you were? I can't imagine the weather being much worse than it was that night.

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

What's the actual elevation of the strip where you were? I can't imagine the weather being much worse than it was that night.

Track elevation is around 120 feet. Was told DA of 2400 when I got there, but could have been a little lower as the sun went down.

[Speedy1975]

Keep in mind a lot of fokks havent had cars this powerful before and its not a mash the gas and hang on endeavor. Anyone that cant get low 11s or high 10s on DRs is doing something wrong.

Ive only made two passes in mine just getting to know the car. I was on worn out 555R tires with 15,000 miles on them I guess at 35psi and no prep. First pass was a 13.xx at 125 I think.....spun the tires the first 330 feet. Peop!e came running over wanting to show me video of the "John Force" burnout lol. Second pass was 11.55 at 124 hot lapped babying off the line. I didnt get a chance to run again. Both passes had 2.x 60 foots which is deplorable and the car still ran 11.55 and I wasnt even trying but just getting a feel for the thing. DA was in the 1200 range. I had a sense for what the track could take and needed that third run to get dialed in closer to the sweet spot but no time. Gonna find out whats what here soon though.

[HAMMERHEAD15]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

A true dragstrip comparison between the ZL1 and HC needs the same conditions. What I mean is, at this time of year, the HC is not necessarily running the hero times either. I saw a couple HC the other night at the strip. The A8 Challenger HC with DRs best run was 11.51 (he showed me the slips), and saw HC Charger (unknown modded or not) run 12.2. So a bolt-on HC nowhere near the 10s, and an unknown-prep HC slower than that. If I focused on this, I could say that the HC is disappointingly slow. That is the problem with not getting the whole story. When the conditions at the strip are the same as what produced the 10sec bolt-on HC times, we will better learn how the ZL1 in stock and bolt-on form compares to them on the dragstrip.

This is what I've been saying! Then you get the response that the Hellcat has modes and the people haven't figured their car out yet! Well the same can be said for the ZL1, even more so since there are less of them made and they have only been out since March or April. I just know I haven't seen a Challanger or Charger Hell cat stock on stock tires or DR's run faster times on the same night and same track as my ZL1. I guess none of them know how to drive the car or what mode to run in!

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by HAMMERHEAD15

This is what I've been saying! Then you get the response that the Hellcat has modes and the people haven't figured their car out yet! Well the same can be said for the ZL1, even more so since there are less of them made and they have only been out since March or April. I just know I haven't seen a Challanger or Charger Hell cat stock on stock tires or DR's run faster times on the same night and same track as my ZL1. I guess none of them know how to drive the car or what mode to run in!

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't capable. I’m still waiting for an independent drag strip run for the ZL1 like what we have here for the Hellcat Charger. Sure we have great times posted for both the HC and ZL1 by private owners but there is no verification the cars were truly 100% stock. Remember the HC supposedly 10:40s with DRs only story, but failed to mention the additional mods. Having an independent review like this takes any question out of it. Bragging rights are huge when it comes to claims of having the fastest stock times, this will lead many to bend the facts just a bit to meet the narrative.

Independently tested 11:03 or faster is the target.
https://www.cars.com/articles/challe...1420680529178/

[HAMMERHEAD15]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't capable. I’m still waiting for an independent drag strip run for the ZL1 like what we have here for the Hellcat Charger. Sure we have great times posted for both the HC and ZL1 by private owners but there is no verification the cars were truly 100% stock. Remember the HC supposedly 10:40s with DRs only story, but failed to mention the additional mods. Having an independent review like this takes any question out of it. Bragging rights are huge when it comes to claims of having the fastest stock times, this will lead many to bend the facts just a bit to meet the narrative.

Independently tested 11:03 or faster is the target.
https://www.cars.com/articles/challe...1420680529178/

Not saying and never said the Hellcats aren't capable of running 10's! They have already proven it! Im saying I'm relatively sure the ZL1 is also capable! These will be hero runs in perfect conditions with perfect track prep! Most Hellcats aren't running 10's pass after pass and they aren't even running it where I'm at on the same night. They are actually running slower times than I am time after time. It is yet to be seen what our cars will do in those perfect conditions with street tires or DR's. DR's may or may not help.

[Blackdevil77]

The 60 foots is what is keeping the ZL1's away from 10's. Not the air, the 127 mph trap speeds I've been seeing is enough for 10's. Better air won't help the 60 foot.

I really want to see what a ZL1 can do just by removing torque management. Anybody try running a ZL1 with bolt ons yet?

[HAMMERHEAD15]

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

The 60 foots is what is keeping the ZL1's away from 10's. Not the air, the 127 mph trap speeds I've been seeing is enough for 10's. Better air won't help the 60 foot.

I really want to see what a ZL1 can do just by removing torque management. Anybody try running a ZL1 with bolt ons yet?

You are correct better air will not help the 60' time, but 2-3 more mph will help the quater mile time! I believe enough to get these cars in the 10's. Going for the best stock time at this point. If we can do that then we will see if we can tune down the TM and get DR's working.

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by HAMMERHEAD15

You are correct better air will not help the 60' time, but 2-3 more mph will help the quater mile time! I believe enough to get these cars in the 10's. Going for the best stock time at this point. If we can do that then we will see if we can tune down the TM and get DR's working.

Yeah, if better air gives you another 2-3 mph (trapping around 130 mph) then 10's should be achievable with the 1.7X 60 foots we've been seeing. With the amount of torque this car has, especially down low and with how much it weighs, it's definitely safe to say the only reason these cars haven't seen 10's yet is something castrating them in the tune. No other reason these shouldn't be getting better 60 foots on drag radials.

You think GM is being over protective with the TM they put into the factory calibration, or are they protecting something that would break otherwise? Nobody knows what the limitations are of the new 10 speed transmission yet. I'm hoping it's a stout piece.

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by HAMMERHEAD15

You are correct better air will not help the 60' time, but 2-3 more mph will help the quater mile time! I believe enough to get these cars in the 10's. Going for the best stock time at this point. If we can do that then we will see if we can tune down the TM and get DR's working.

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

Yeah, if better air gives you another 2-3 mph (trapping around 130 mph) then 10's should be achievable with the 1.7X 60 foots we've been seeing. With the amount of torque this car has, especially down low and with how much it weighs, it's definitely safe to say the only reason these cars haven't seen 10's yet is something castrating them in the tune. No other reason these shouldn't be getting better 60 foots on drag radials.

You think GM is being over protective with the TM they put into the factory calibration, or are they protecting something that would break otherwise? Nobody knows what the limitations are of the new 10 speed transmission yet. I'm hoping it's a stout piece.

I could be wrong, but I really don't think there's much, if anything, to be gained by turning down or removing TM until you have a tire on the car. If it wasn't for losing my warranty, I'd love to see what dialing down the TM would do when on a track with good grip, even with the factory tires. Once you have a tire with more grip, then I think it will be mandatory to turn it down or completely off for the best times. I still think there is possibly another .1 or more to be gained with just a tire swap though. I know I've never been able to just floor my car on the launch without it spinning and hurting my 60'.

Based on my last run, I'm even more confident these cars will start breaking into the 10s bone stock as the temps and humidity keep falling. I don't think there's anyway one will go deep into the 10s without starting off with a tire and going from there. A tire will definitely be my first change once I've broken into the 10s. I can run a tire and still maintain my factory warranty, so that's what my plan is for the next few years.

I remember reading an article a while back that was talking about how stout GM made the A8, and that from everything that has been mentioned about the A10, it should be even stronger. May have to search for that again. I hope the TM isn't to protect something, but it could be. I feel it's mostly to make the car as quick as it can be straight from the factory with the tires it comes with.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

I could be wrong, but I really don't think there's much, if anything, to be gained by turning down or removing TM until you have a tire on the car. If it wasn't for losing my warranty, I'd love to see what dialing down the TM would do when on a track with good grip, even with the factory tires. Once you have a tire with more grip, then I think it will be mandatory to turn it down or completely off for the best times. I still think there is possibly another .1 or more to be gained with just a tire swap though. I know I've never been able to just floor my car on the launch without it spinning and hurting my 60'.

Based on my last run, I'm even more confident these cars will start breaking into the 10s bone stock as the temps and humidity keep falling. I don't think there's anyway one will go deep into the 10s without starting off with a tire and going from there. A tire will definitely be my first change once I've broken into the 10s. I can run a tire and still maintain my factory warranty, so that's what my plan is for the next few years.

I remember reading an article a while back that was talking about how stout GM made the A8, and that from everything that has been mentioned about the A10, it should be even stronger. May have to search for that again. I hope the TM isn't to protect something, but it could be. I feel it's mostly to make the car as quick as it can be straight from the factory with the tires it comes with.

The rear is the weak point and probably why they have the TM. The 5th gen rear was much stronger.

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[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by Sven59

The rear is the weak point and probably why they have the TM. The 5th gen rear was much stronger.

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I remember GM saying the ELSD wasn't as strong as the grave digger rear on the 5th gen, but does that mean it's actually weak? I hope not. Hopefully it just means instead of being able to handle 1000+ lb/ft, it can only handle 900 or so. I'm sure we'll all find out at some point as guys start taking these modded Zs to the strip and hooking them on drag tires. RPM's frostbite ZL1 gives me hope that it's still a strong unit as they've ran a couple different 9 second passes with a pretty low 60' if I remember right.