09-05-2017, 08:23 PM | #71 |
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Even if you say all the sales are the low end model, that is roughly $125M for the quarter. Not bad business.
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09-05-2017, 08:27 PM | #72 |
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damn germ, just take your medisin and move on!
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MSRP will go up...yet people don't pay MSRP. FoMoCo must convince buyers to fork over an additional $4k on average to achieve parity with Camaro. That's a big ask.
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If a particular model is returned by customers early for a replacement, do you not agree that it is in the businesses interest to (in the very least) track such occurrences? Yes or No. If this happens frequently enough, at a certain point, do you not agree that it is likely such a performance history be contemplated before they commit to buying MORE of the offending widget? Yes or No. If you answered Yes to both question, you have destroyed your own argument regarding initial purchase Price being everything. Brought back early returns are the exact type of occurrence which absolutely impacts their profits. It means that they have purchased a widget that fails to serve its purpose, and not only do they need another vehicle to satisfy the customer, but they have now expended resources on maintaining, storing, fueling, and wasted worker hours alleviating the complaint. This is not Six Sigma level stuff here. Its common sense. You can argue that your 900 plus rentals gives you clairvoyant insight into the fact that they do not track this. I call baloney. |
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You can call "baloney" when your experience matches or exceeds mine. I never said they don't track this, only that they don't ask renters what make/models they prefer.
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I will attempt to keep the tone civil. It's too easy to let things roll out of control.
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How does being an investor make you knowledgeable about these specific purchasing practices? Do you have access to their procurement policies and protocols? If so, would love to see them! FWIW anyone, with any level of experience, can say "I'm an Investor". I'm also an investor, but that in and of itself doesn't give me any authority to speak about those investments with any degree of credibility. It just means I gave them my money. Quote:
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Its really just basic business practices. Determine your needs. Determine your budget. Assess current operational inefficiencies/deficiencies where appropriate. Survey the vendors. Assess numerous metrics provided by the available vendors (performance parameters, initial/ongoing maintenance/service costs). Do your due diligence. In my experience, any business that ignores other factors, wont be in business very long. I would prefer sales for the segment to be better across the board. On a micro level, I don't think any of the Pony cars are in a strong position. I think Camaro is probably the weakest. They are only 2 years into a new generation, and their sales are incredibly low, nearing the levels experienced right before they cancelled the brand. Mustang has a larger global market, and have a refresh. Their bump in pricing may hurt them however. I'm not religiously devoted to any brand. I have Ford, GM, and german vehicles. I want more competition, as that usually drives innovation, and better options for the consumer. |
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Yada, Yada, Yada!!
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09-06-2017, 04:44 PM | #79 |
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This thread turned into medisin destroying germanicus..
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Not sure it's worth arguing with a Mustang owning member who's spent, according to his post stats, 90+% of his time here poo pooing the Camaro in every month's "sales reports" threads, and yes I put that in quotes cuz again I think the numbers from OP are dumb numbers (yours are much more useful). Oh and OP is a Mustang guy too, and is only here once a month to post the "sales numbers". I just find it all very interesting...the mustang guys in here trying to prove a point based on sales, but when we get more meaningful numbers, such as the ones you posted showing how a much larger % of the "other guys" sell to fleet, then all the sudden...oh a sale is a sale is a sale, retail #'s dont help us prove our point that GM is failing (even though their own stated position on strategy is that they are purposefully REDUCING fleet sales). I don't know why any of us should really care all that much which of the three models listed in this thread (and why just the three? Camaro clearly competes with other performance cars) are the "better seller", yet alone why a Mustang owner comes here to what...rub it in our faces? IDK...it's been pretty interesting though I suppose. I barely have enough time on my hands to be a member of one car forum, let alone enough time on my hands to troll the competition's sites...
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Like I said before, Chevy needs some aggressive Kick azz TV commercials and they will sell like Hot cakes. Remember the cool azz Dodge Bros. commercials from last year?? And people wonder why Dodge Challenger is outselling Camaro. Dis is what sells cars!!....
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09-07-2017, 02:11 PM | #83 |
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^^ but dodge is in LAST place, so.....
Retail Sales YTD 2017 Camaro: 43,130 Mustang: 38,754 Challenger: 31,427 Maybe GM doesn't seem to see the need when they are in first place??? I mean, that is if they see the same credence of comparing sales numbers to the same two other guys as the benchmark. They certainly may consider doing so to gain more sales outside of this little competition here on Camaro6 forums. or wait...maybe Hertz, National, and Enterprise needed to see these commercials so they know what to buy?
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