09-03-2017, 10:39 PM | #43 |
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Thank you @MEDISIN for post #37.
For people thinking that rental car sales numbers are great, please read at link. It is from July 2015 dealing with sales numbers. But still explains some of the past sins of auto makers & how important retail sales really are. http://www.autonews.com/article/2015...-sales-picture |
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Again, no one knows how much net profit are built into these cars. Most mainstream vehicles yield $500-2,000 profit. Luxury cars ~$5,000. Trucks ~$10,000. Porsche ~ $17,000. Quote:
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09-04-2017, 08:14 AM | #45 |
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Is this part of the new math where less is more or is it a participation trophy where 3rd place makes you a winner. Either way I see a whole lot more wins coming up for this new Gen Camaro as with the into of the updated Mustang I am sure it will make a big jump into 1st place or I should say last place with the highest volume sold.
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09-04-2017, 11:16 AM | #49 |
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I can't imagine 4000-5000 sales a month is / was the goal. The fleet - rental sales is obviously in the GM business plan..it will be interesting to see if GM shifts away from this as the car sales continue to tank. There's still a large import car sold number they have not tapped into. No matter the spin being last blows
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Sorry if this sounds snarky, but you are really stretching. The notion that any of the major rental car companies (Enterprise, Avis, Hertz, Budget) pay no attention to customer preferences or market pressure is just silly. No business on earth functions this way. This is bourne out by the fact that their fleets are clearly made up of different segments. SUV/Crossovers/Sub Compacts/Full Size Sedans etc. If what you said is true, and the consumer nor the renter care anything about specific models, they would simply have fleets made up of the cheapest vehicles (sub-compacts). I'm assuming you see the folly in this, as its clearly not the case. We have already had anecdotal evidence of someone claiming that rental Camaro's have been returned by customers due to visibility issues in this very thread. Does that claim sound far fetched? Someone renting a 6th gen and complaining about visibility? Tell me, if you were in charge of procurement for a rental company, wouldn't you be much less inclined to repurchase a vehicle that has had complaints, and has a history of returns by your customer base? This would in the very least, factor into your decision to purchase further units of that particular model. If the answer is yes, you just admitted that your previous claim is false: Quote:
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If you need me to explain that sitting on unsold inventory at rates over double the industry standard is a 'bad' thing, I don't know what to tell you. You seem to conveniently bounce in and out of a macro/micro viewpoint in these discussions. Sometimes focusing on just Camaro metrics, then GM as a whole. Camaro is such a tiny percentile of GM, quoting stock values may as well be essentially irrelevant. Do you believe that GM only looks upon the performance of sales in total? No analysis or decisions regarding the performance of specific models? |
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09-04-2017, 11:57 AM | #51 |
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...So car renters prefer Mustang and Challenger over Camaro, but car buyers prefer Camaro over Mustang and Challenger....
Not sure what customer preferences the rental companies are using, but the obvious market pressure that influences them is price....and they aren't getting fleet/rental dump prices for Camaro, apparently.... Anecdotally, Mustang and Challenger carry more luggage and bulk than Camaro. No secret. That works for rentals, but not for retail customers. Just sayin' if rental companies have a lock on the pulse and preferences of customers and market pressures, Camaro wouldn't be first in retail sales, either... |
09-04-2017, 01:03 PM | #52 |
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not selling camaro
Camaro is the best of the three (Camaro, challenger, mustang) out there! Great engine and transmission! Its 2017! You can get a brand new Camaro from the factory! They should be selling 100,000 a year! I don't think its price totally,Reasons that could help-1.Camaro could start by adding new colors: Aqua blue, gold, gun metal grey, green metallic, rosewood metallic, brown, orange, etc.. 2. they should start selling a "base V8" for 29,999$...you know, a auto or manual V8 stripped down for about 29,999$...3. More commercial's...People do buy what they "see"...Every day I see that Vin Diesel Challenger commercial...4. maybe 50,000 Camaro owners could make a road trip to the GM headquarters and surround the building. 5. Pray! I love the Camaro and yes maybe they are making more profit per vehicle...I just can't stand being in third place....Maybe having the Camaro as the main nascar car next year will help...I have a red Camaro 2017..most awesome vehicle I ever owned....
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09-04-2017, 02:05 PM | #53 |
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I personally think the Camaro SS's, 1LE's and ZL1's are way overpriced and especially the 1LE's and SS's.
Chevy needs to sell a lower priced base model SS with the V8 the same way Ford did on the Fox Body Mustang back in the late 80's and early 90's. You could get a Mustang Coupe 5.0 with the GT rims and tires for $13k OTD and I know because I owned one, best bang for the buck that i ever had. |
09-04-2017, 03:12 PM | #54 |
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So with all the talk of Mustang price being the main selling point to rental, I suppose the 2018's will see that come to an end. Seeing as the pricing parity has been closed. Of course that's assuming there is no price increase for the upcoming MCE 2019 Camaro.
2018 will be an interesting year to watch.
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I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but it should be interesting to see how that theory pans out.... |
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09-04-2017, 05:33 PM | #56 | |
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Will be a level playing field with a de-contented 1SS, and mustang gt $3k increase w/ perf. pack. |
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