[cfabrizio]

I jinxed myself last night, CEL came on this afternoon...same codes. I will say it took about 1k before it tripped the system again.

KyBoy, Borla told me the same thing. I reset the system 3 times and even checked all of my exhaust connections each time the CEL came on. It clears the CEL for about 100 miles or so and will pop back on. At least that is what happened for me, hope you have different results.

I'm f'in done with this system. I'm going to call Borla tomorrow and see if they'll take the system back. I know I don't have anything in writing from them but I called and asked about CELs before buying the system. I will say that their customer service guys are decent and try to make things right but this isn't about them it's about the system and the money you pay for it.

David Borla....you want to weigh in on this one for everybody. I thought this was a unique problem to me but obviously things are coming to light as more of the systems are getting out there.

SW and Corsa were the other two systems I was looking at, so we'll se what we come up with.

[KyBoy]

Originally Posted by cfabrizio

I jinxed myself last night, CEL came on this afternoon...same codes. I will say it took about 1k before it tripped the system again.

KyBoy, Borla told me the same thing. I reset the system 3 times and even checked all of my exhaust connections each time the CEL came on. It clears the CEL for about 100 miles or so and will pop back on. At least that is what happened for me, hope you have different results.

I'm f'in done with this system. I'm going to call Borla tomorrow and see if they'll take the system back. I know I don't have anything in writing from them but I called and asked about CELs before buying the system. I will say that their customer service guys are decent and try to make things right but this isn't about them it's about the system and the money you pay for it.

David Borla....you want to weigh in on this one for everybody. I thought this was a unique problem to me but obviously things are coming to light as more of the systems are getting out there.

SW and Corsa were the other two systems I was looking at, so we'll se what we come up with.

Let me know what they say about a refund. I'm not opposed to returning the 60609, but I would rather have it working smoothly. The sound is intoxicating.

Heath

[david borla]

Originally Posted by cfabrizio

I jinxed myself last night, CEL came on this afternoon...same codes. I will say it took about 1k before it tripped the system again.

KyBoy, Borla told me the same thing. I reset the system 3 times and even checked all of my exhaust connections each time the CEL came on. It clears the CEL for about 100 miles or so and will pop back on. At least that is what happened for me, hope you have different results.

I'm f'in done with this system. I'm going to call Borla tomorrow and see if they'll take the system back. I know I don't have anything in writing from them but I called and asked about CELs before buying the system. I will say that their customer service guys are decent and try to make things right but this isn't about them it's about the system and the money you pay for it.

David Borla....you want to weigh in on this one for everybody. I thought this was a unique problem to me but obviously things are coming to light as more of the systems are getting out there.

SW and Corsa were the other two systems I was looking at, so we'll se what we come up with.

First thing is, rest assured we'll take the parts back and refund you in full for every penny assuming this qualifies as a warranty case which it surely does. And this will be the case next week, next month, next year etc. If you face any resistance from my team, which you won't, please contact me directly at davidb@borla.com .

Everyone involved in this, including General Motors and all the aftermarket folks are still figuring this out. No one has it totally right yet. Even cars without any modifications are experiencing failures with valves. The is true for Corvette too, not just Camaro. In fact, the ATS cars that have valves are failing too. If the valve strategy is failing from the factory it makes it an even greater challenge for the aftermarket.

Corsa and many others have decided to stay away from valves completely. We have non-valved systems available as well so if you're considering leaving Borla because of valves and going to Corsa you might want to consider just swapping out your valved Borla system for a non-valved Borla system. I can make that happen for you if you'd like. You're not going to get an active exhaust system exhaust from Corsa because they don't offer them.

With all of this said, I really want to get into the details of what we're uncovering and how deep we've gotten into the GM active exhaust architecture but I don't want to educate our competitors and the post would be too long for a forum setting anyhow. Our current functional spec doc is 50 pages long and growing.

You gotta understand what a huge jump in technology it is to go from a non-active exhaust to an active one. By introducing this technology GM has added plastic actuators to the equation (with a plastic gear inside), steel saddles or brackets to hold those plastic actuators and the butterfly valves. There's also a computer module governing and controlling the process which adds wires, hardware and software to the equation.

Are you guys aware of this? - https://gm.oemdtc.com/TSB/SB-10082403-5448.pdf

GM did such a poor job and is so desperate that they're asking customers to use a q-tip and epoxy to fix it which isn't exactly the most elegant solution. They are literally at the point where "duct tape and bailing wire" is the best they can come up with.

I could go on forever but here's the conclusion of what I have to say about all of this. We're very close to resolving this once and for all, we're going to refund you in full whenever you want, no one else has it figured out, so you might want to wait a few more weeks and see what we come up with. If we refund your money and take the system back from you, you might be disappointed if we resolve the issue 2 weeks later.

Please let me know your thoughts, as I said we'll refund you in full at any time. Contact me directly at davidb@borla.com if you want to speak candidly or we can go back and forth here.

db

[KyBoy]

Originally Posted by david borla

First thing is, rest assured we'll take the parts back and refund you in full for every penny assuming this qualifies as a warranty case which it surely does. And this will be the case next week, next month, next year etc. If you face any resistance from my team, which you won't, please contact me directly at davidb@borla.com .

Everyone involved in this, including General Motors and all the aftermarket folks are still figuring this out. No one has it totally right yet. Even cars without any modifications are experiencing failures with valves. The is true for Corvette too, not just Camaro. In fact, the ATS cars that have valves are failing too. If the valve strategy is failing from the factory it makes it an even greater challenge for the aftermarket.

Corsa and many others have decided to stay away from valves completely. We have non-valved systems available as well so if you're considering leaving Borla because of valves and going to Corsa you might want to consider just swapping out your valved Borla system for a non-valved Borla system. I can make that happen for you if you'd like. You're not going to get an active exhaust system exhaust from Corsa because they don't offer them.

With all of this said, I really want to get into the details of what we're uncovering and how deep we've gotten into the GM active exhaust architecture but I don't want to educate our competitors and the post would be too long for a forum setting anyhow. Our current functional spec doc is 50 pages long and growing.

You gotta understand what a huge jump in technology it is to go from a non-active exhaust to an active one. By introducing this technology GM has added plastic actuators to the equation (with a plastic gear inside), steel saddles or brackets to hold those plastic actuators and the butterfly valves. There's also a computer module governing and controlling the process which adds wires, hardware and software to the equation.

Are you guys aware of this? - https://gm.oemdtc.com/TSB/SB-10082403-5448.pdf

GM did such a poor job and is so desperate that they're asking customers to use a q-tip and epoxy to fix it which isn't exactly the most elegant solution. They are literally at the point where "duct tape and bailing wire" is the best they can come up with.

I could go on forever but here's the conclusion of what I have to say about all of this. We're very close to resolving this once and for all, we're going to refund you in full whenever you want, no one else has it figured out, so you might want to wait a few more weeks and see what we come up with. If we refund your money and take the system back from you, you might be disappointed if we resolve the issue 2 weeks later.

Please let me know your thoughts, as I said we'll refund you in full at any time. Contact me directly at davidb@borla.com if you want to speak candidly or we can go back and forth here.

db

Thanks for the explanation. I've emailed you.

Heath

[Soleil]

Excuse my ignorance but I am little confused. This issue with the CEL code appears only with the added x-pipe? If I just add /change the axle back everything will be fine?

[KyBoy]

Originally Posted by Soleil

Excuse my ignorance but I am little confused. This issue with the CEL code appears only with the added x-pipe? If I just add /change the axle back everything will be fine?

Correct.

Heath

[Soleil]

Heath you saved my day.

[KyBoy]

I'm gonna jinx myself...right here, right now.

I remote started the car to move it out of my way early this morning...light was on.

Remote started it a few hours later after work and for the first time the CEL went off by itself.

It may very well come right back on later, but for now the car seems to have "learned" something.

Let's hope.

Heath

[Camaro3x]

Well I just answered my own question. The problem impacts the 16 too. I disconnected the battery for the install and also after I threw a code trying to get it re-learn. Same issues explained by others in the thread.

I bought from another forum member. He had an issue with his, had it replaced via warranty and I bought the warranty replacement. He went to another brand because he was tired of messing with it.

Question is, will Borla warranty the product even though I bought it (unopened) from another forum member?

davidb@borla.com - can you provide me with some guidance here? I'm guessing you will stand behind the product especially because this seems like a common issue

Thanks

[KyBoy]

Ugh...light came back on after about a 20 mile drive. She stopped at a red light and it popped on.

Seems like there is an issue when the car is brought to a complete stop.

Heath

[Camaro3x]

Same here. I've done a number of code clears, battery disconnects and checks of everything else. There must be an issue with the AFM valve itself. I noticed that the spring is much weaker on the Borla than on the OEM valve. Maybe that has something to do with it. Driving around I can tell they are working but after 15-20 minutes including a shut off and restart, the CEL comes on.

[KyBoy]

Originally Posted by Camaro3x

Same here. I've done a number of code clears, battery disconnects and checks of everything else. There must be an issue with the AFM valve itself. I noticed that the spring is much weaker on the Borla than on the OEM valve. Maybe that has something to do with it. Driving around I can tell they are working but after 15-20 minutes including a shut off and restart, the CEL comes on.

I've done the ecu drain (don't ask) and code clears. This last time, the CEL went off on its own. Came back on its own too.

I too, noticed the difference in spring weights. Mine are working too, just that unbelievably annoying CEL.

Heath

[Soleil]

Any news concerning the CEL and or from Borla?

[Camaro3x]

Talked to Borla today. They have stopped production and shipping on anything with valves until they get things figured out. Now I have to chop up my stock pipes to adapt the OEM AFM valve to the Borla or have the stock one welded back on. Fun stuff