[zx9rmal]

Well, why not jump in here.

<<After a few weeks of V6 ownership you'll realize what I'm talking about if you don't already understand.>>
Or not, because it may not be an issue?

<<If you're breaking this down to the point of regular gas vs. premium, you probably shouldn't be buying a car at all.>>
Not really. Some folks, unlike me, are quite serious about budgeting. I commend that.

If you want ultimate performance, get the SS. But many folks (especially our women friends) don't give a shit about performance. They simply love the styling of the car. So that makes the 2.0 or the V6 the RIGHT move for them.

I love my SS 1LE, but I would love to drive a V6 1LE. There's no way I wouldn't call that car a serious performance car. I'm 70. My first performance car was a '69 Z/28, bought new. I LOVED that car and was amazed by the performance. A new V6 1LE would destroy that car in all areas, so it's all relative. Yes, time moves on, but there is NOTHING wrong with a 335hp sporty car, IMHO. There are many cases to be made for a V6 Camaro. Different strokes for different folks, testosterone not withstanding.

[Buzzberd6]

Originally Posted by zx9rmal

Well, why not jump in here.

...I love my SS 1LE, but I would love to drive a V6 1LE. There's no way I wouldn't call that car a serious performance car. I'm 70. My first performance car was a '69 Z/28, bought new. I LOVED that car and was amazed by the performance. A new V6 1LE would destroy that car in all areas, so it's all relative. Yes, time moves on, but there is NOTHING wrong with a 335hp sporty car, IMHO. There are many cases to be made for a V6 Camaro. Different strokes for different folks, testosterone not withstanding.

Are you an SCCA member? There are two more Track Night in America events yet to be held at PBIR this year, Sept 19 & Oct 17. Not a huge fan of the new track layout but it is a track and you'll definitely get a chance to open it up legally.

You bring yours and I'll bring mine?

Actually, I think the SCCA has a deal where non members can run it if they buy a weekend membership. I'll have to check on that.

[Marty McFlew]

Originally Posted by SSJ455

I found mine at a Volkswagen dealer near me. Someone traded in a 2017 2SS for a Golf R. It has less than 6000 miles on it, sunroof, Magnetic Ride Control, Dual Mode exhaust plus all the 2SS goodies. I got it for just under 40.

A 2SS for Golf R.

[zx9rmal]

Originally Posted by Buzzberd6

Are you an SCCA member? There are two more Track Night in America events yet to be held at PBIR this year, Sept 19 & Oct 17. Not a huge fan of the new track layout but it is a track and you'll definitely get a chance to open it up legally.

You bring yours and I'll bring mine?

Actually, I think the SCCA has a deal where non members can run it if they buy a weekend membership. I'll have to check on that.

Not a member. Thanks for the offer. How are you getting along with your V6 1LE? Driving impressions?

[zx9rmal]

Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

A 2SS for Golf R.

Not so fast. The new Gen VII Golf R with a Stage II tune has been dynoed at 354hp/387tq at the wheels. It's a great performer. I'm a long time GTI guy, but the $40K price tag kept me away.

[Marty McFlew]

Originally Posted by zx9rmal

Not so fast. The new Gen VII Golf R with a Stage II tune has been dynoed at 354hp/387tq at the wheels. It's a great performer. I'm a long time GTI guy, but the $40K price tag kept me away.

Yeh...and it looks like a Hi top tennis shoe on 4 wheels.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

Also you like many others are comparing apples and oranges in the prices of the V6 and V8.. if you're going to compare them, you need to compare them with similar option packages equipped.. meaning.. a 1LT to a 1SS or a 2LT to a 2SS.. a 2LT and 1SS are built for entirely different markets...The REAL price difference between a V6 and a V8 is actually closer to $10,000... so with that there is a justified reason the V6's exist.

On a side note, I can't help but wonder how many of you have really owned a sports car before the 5th Gen, because quiet as kept the 1LT V6 is pretty close to LS1 territory

Point of clarification. 2LT and 2SS seemingly get thrown together like they are similar in features when they are not. Point in case to get a 2LT equipped like a 2SS ,excluding any performance related items (i.e. HD cooling/braking, summer tires, suspension package), you need to add several packages.

1. RS PACKAGE
2. CONVENIENCE AND LIGHTING PACKAGE

That brings a 2LT with LGX to $37,740. A 2SS is $42,995. That's only $5,255 difference to have the LT1, better brakes, HD cooling, and a much better suspension.

When you compare a 1LS (since 1LT includes the A8) to a 1SS, there is still a similar difference (albeit bigger) when equipped equal minus any performance items. $31,245 vs $37,995. So this idea of $10K is not accurate at all. Especially if you consider the available performance items to bring the LT up to SS levels (excluding the HP/TQ of course).

I know the guys picking the LT over the SS likely don't care about those performance differences so I left them out from pricing. There is tremendous value in the SS cars compared to the LTs IMO. But I can see how $5-7K can be a too high for some budgets, especially if they find no value in the performance level difference.

As for this LS1 debate, the only close comparison would be LS1 A4 with 2.73s vs LGX A8. Those were real slushbox days and it took some work for them to keep up with M6s. The M6 LS1s are almost 1/2 a sec quicker in media testing than the LGX A8. Real world has shown quite a few LS1 M6s break into the 12s. That's quite a bit of difference anyway you cut it. So the accurate comparison would be the LGX has better performance than the old LT1 F-bodies which is still impressive. Especially if you remember the dog that the 3.8Ls were in those days.

[Marty McFlew]

I had Gen 5 V6 Camaro once. It was great car. Did some minor bolt on mods. Being it had a manual trans the gearing that came with it made good use of the tq in 1st, 2nd gear but didn't to much punch in 3rd gear thou it would steadily climb just wouldn't punch like 1st and 2nd. Then again I never really had anyplace to wind it out full in 3rd anyway because I would be well in the 3 digits. The SS is a whole different animal, punches hard in 1,2 and 3, don't know about 4 never had the space to get into 4 wide open as I would probably be pushing 130. That being said the V6 was fun in the manual trans. The V8 is just more fun and effortlessly power delivery. The Gen ^ V6 has even more HP but no real tq increase over the Gen 5.

[zx9rmal]

Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

Yeh...and it looks like a Hi top tennis shoe on 4 wheels.

Well, there's that, but beauty is............

[Tumba]

Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

I had Gen 5 V6 Camaro once. It was great car. Did some minor bolt on mods. Being it had a manual trans the gearing that came with it made good use of the tq in 1st, 2nd gear but didn't to much punch in 3rd gear thou it would steadily climb just wouldn't punch like 1st and 2nd. Then again I never really had anyplace to wind it out full in 3rd anyway because I would be well in the 3 digits. The SS is a whole different animal, punches hard in 1,2 and 3, don't know about 4 never had the space to get into 4 wide open as I would probably be pushing 130. That being said the V6 was fun in the manual trans. The V8 is just more fun and effortlessly power delivery. The Gen ^ V6 has even more HP but no real tq increase over the Gen 5.

This is similar to my experience with a v6 manual. 3rd was always disappointing. Gearing on my car was probably different than the 5th gen Camaro? 60mph was a third gear pull. 2nd topped out at 64ish. Almost anything with an auto would keep up with me from a 60 role haha. Doesn't matter unless you do a lot of open freeway driving which I did. If it was hotter than 90F it was down right depressing haha. I believe the 3.8L I had was 348hp and 290 ish tq. 290 is a respectable number the gearing just couldn't stay in the narrow power band after 2nd.

I believe that cars being over optimized for 0-60 times is partially to blame for this.

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[IMadeYouReadThis]

Despite what the people above talking acting like they know what an LS1 ran like I can honestly give you an opinion as I owned a mint 2002 6-speed manual LS1 equipped Camaro for over 10 years. My 6-speed manual lgx V6 would definitely be able to give an LS1 Camaro a run. You guys talking about the fifth gen Camaro are forgetting that it had less power and that it was 400-plus pounds heavier. And one of the things that makes the alpha platform so much fun is the handling which I can guarantee you is better in the V6 then the V8 due to the less weight in the front end.

I'm Canadian so money is a little different here I got my car which is on one LS I added the V6 I added the RS package and NPP and I added the Bose stereo and I added the hyper blue metallic I factory ordered this car it cost me just over $37,000 if I wanted to get a one ss with NPP and without the hyper blue metallic and without the Bose stereo it would have cost me $45,000 and who would want a car with at the NPP so you're looking at minimum $46,000.

To me there was no way the V8 was worth a $9,000 price difference. The V6 is fast it sounds beastly it turns heads it doesn't have those horrible looking pieces of plastic in the hood or that horrible wing on the back enough with bashing other people's choices unless if you're taking your V8 to the track you're definitely not using it anyway and you could have definitely gotten by with a V6 and you'd be surprised how fast it actually is.

[Buzzberd6]

Originally Posted by zx9rmal

Not a member. Thanks for the offer. How are you getting along with your V6 1LE? Driving impressions?

I'm enjoying the heck out of it, so far I've run it at Daytona in May and again earlier this month and have run 4 or five autocrosses with it so far. Not to mention driving it to work every day. Surprisingly, both my son and son in law, who both have built and run 11 second Chevys, and ALSO told me I was making a mistake buying the V6 1LE... have changed their tune a bit. I also scared the crap out of a (Mustang) friend of mine at Daytona a few weeks ago when he got to ride along for one session, he actually asked me to stop and let him out.

Funny you should mention the Golf MKVII, I was running with one at Daytona this month. This one is not stock however. I could catch him, but I couldn't stay with him once we got on the banking. We got to talking later and discovered I ran against his wife in a Deland Autcross this year.

https://youtu.be/--Sf3xDTnK8

[2010SLVRBULIT]

No brainer, get what suits you. If you have to ask, and have to justify your purchase to everyone else, than you might as well save up for the ZL1 1LE.

[Camarolover85]

Originally Posted by Risky Justice

lol yea, here I am making $40K a year and I got one. Do I have a lot of extra money to go out and stuff? Nah, but who cares...I got the car I love. I still have a roof over my head, food on the table, and that's all I really care about at the end of the day. For me though, this car is the only thing that gets me out of the house, so it was a purchase for my mental health as well.

Lmao. That's a $700 car payment with 0% interest and you make like $600 A WEEK???

My car payment is $370. I have a house, a boat, a 2015 Silverado ($700 a month) , 2 jet skis and the ability to travel the world endlessly on my salary. Now I just feel sorry for you, living above your means. But you have that 1.5 seconds!