[LtColumbo]

Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

HP wise but not in Tq. Like I said the drawback for the V6 is the low Tq and sound. Otherwise its a great engine.

You did the math?

3.6L 220ci 284lbft = 1.29 per liter

6.2L 378ci 455lbft = 1.20 per liter

I think we all agree the 6.2L makes it's torque at 900 rpm lower than the 3.6L.

I had a vehicle with a 454ci engine. It made 385lbft of torque at 1600rpm. Yes, 1600rpm. (not a diesel) That would be the best, right? Well, it only made 230hp at 3600 rpm. But it was a V8!

What's funny here is, the OP has had NO COMMENT on the way this thread turned out! He must not really care about all the rantings.

[silstream]

Well it's sure made for some interesting reading! I drove both a fully loaded V6 RS and completely stock 1SS at the weekend and as much as I know the V6 would be enough, the price difference between a 2016 1SS vs. a 2017 2LT RS is close enough that it's really forced me to look at what's more important to me. I almost feel guilty going with the (slight) majority but the V8 really did feel more special for me...

No surprise that my Focus isn't worth as much as I'd hoped so cost to change puts my total budget closer to $30k plus tax/registration. I've also learnt more about tax credit on trading in which seems to negate most of the benefit of selling my Focus privately so I'm probably going to hold out for a few months and look for a manual 1SS (ideally with NPP) towards the end of the year (hoping any discount offered on leftover 2017 models either puts them within reach or causes a knock-on drop in 2016 cars)

Thanks again all for the vocal opinions, guidance and support. Cheers...

[Risky Justice]

You won't be disappointed! The 2SS does have some nice features worth looking at too, and you might be able to find a great deal on one around that time. If you don't like the leather seats, I'm sure you could trade with someone for cloth. The HUD and HIDs are worth it!

[Camarolover85]

Originally Posted by silstream

Well it's sure made for some interesting reading! I drove both a fully loaded V6 RS and completely stock 1SS at the weekend and as much as I know the V6 would be enough, the price difference between a 2016 1SS vs. a 2017 2LT RS is close enough that it's really forced me to look at what's more important to me. I almost feel guilty going with the (slight) majority but the V8 really did feel more special for me...

No surprise that my Focus isn't worth as much as I'd hoped so cost to change puts my total budget closer to $30k plus tax/registration. I've also learnt more about tax credit on trading in which seems to negate most of the benefit of selling my Focus privately so I'm probably going to hold out for a few months and look for a manual 1SS (ideally with NPP) towards the end of the year (hoping any discount offered on leftover 2017 models either puts them within reach or causes a knock-on drop in 2016 cars)

Thanks again all for the vocal opinions, guidance and support. Cheers...

That's cool! You should always buy what you want and what feels right. I was going to say make sure it's an RS at all costs, I didn't realize that's standard on the V8. The headlights are awesome.

[LuvMI]

Originally Posted by Camarolover85

That's cool! You should always buy what you want and what feels right. I was going to say make sure it's an RS at all costs, I didn't realize that's standard on the V8. The headlights are awesome.

+1!

[Cameron27]

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[SSJ455]

Originally Posted by Risky Justice

You won't be disappointed! The 2SS does have some nice features worth looking at too, and you might be able to find a great deal on one around that time. If you don't like the leather seats, I'm sure you could trade with someone for cloth. The HUD and HIDs are worth it!

I found mine at a Volkswagen dealer near me. Someone traded in a 2017 2SS for a Golf R. It has less than 6000 miles on it, sunroof, Magnetic Ride Control, Dual Mode exhaust plus all the 2SS goodies. I got it for just under 40.

[RagingHawk]

Depends on priorities and pricing, if you need a daily and have a budget, look for a loaded discounted V6 which can be found now. You can find discounted 2SS models as well, but not many 1SS models. I guess the 2SS msrp's a bit unreasonable for some, and dealers assume consumers will go for the creature comfort thus discount them 4-5k. No one is discounting a 1SS model(not talking about employee discount). If rebates apply, they aren't listing them.

Thus a discounted loaded V6 model is appealing. I had a 5th gen ls prior to getting an SS, and the suspension differences were very noticeable. It wasn't only an increase in power, the car was funner to drive, felt like it had a performance tuned suspension whereas the V6 didn't. So I would consider V6 1LE for the fun factor if it is priced right. I am actually looking at that as an option, would want to drive one first. I'm in no rush and plan to check them out next summer. If the price difference with the SS is small, will definitely go with that. These new cars are really fast and loud, I had a guy in a 6th gen tease me with his. Was impressed.

[LesBaer]

This is my opinion and I'm sorry if it offends anyone. The Camaro is not a practical car to begin with. Think about what drew you to the Camaro...I'm pretty sure it wasn't its practicality. If you want practical, you buy the equivalent of a Camry or an SUV. I don't understand why this suddenly becomes a conversation about practicality for some people when it should only be about which level of performance you need to fulfill yourself. Remember, this is a performance oriented sports car.

People who end up in this V6 vs. V8 quandary and can't decide always test drive them both and many buy the V6. The only way that this is not a mistake of epic proportions is if you can guarantee yourself that you will never want more power. Don't be fooled by gearing and low end torque. After a few weeks of V6 ownership you'll realize what I'm talking about if you don't already understand. It's nowhere near as fast as the V8 and has nowhere near the upside potential either.

Personally, even if someone offered me the $30k V6 car for $10k, I would feel as if I lit $10k on fire because I would not be happy. Considering that you can have the V8 for the same amount of $, there's absolutely no reason to buy a V6 Camaro unless your last name is Hertz. If you're breaking this down to the point of regular gas vs. premium, you probably shouldn't be buying a car at all.

I also feel that there are many people out there who would never admit that they made a mistake in buying the V6. People who spent $30k on a car want to tell you about how great of a buy it was, not that it was mistake. They probably can't even admit to themselves that it was a mistake. Again - not a mistake for everyone - only those that know they may eventually want more out of the car performance wise. Once you make a mistake like that you either have to live with it, or you'll spend more money (one way or another) trying to make up for it....and it'll be a lot more $ than the diff between the V6 and V8. If you're buying this car for performance, don't short change yourself. If you even have the slightest inclination to buy the V8 over the V6 now, get the more capable car, even if it's used. It's a buyer's market.

[Cameron27]

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[Glen e]

Originally Posted by Cameron27

I think you have it mixed up. There are a few people who made a mistake, but most didn't make a mistake going with V6. I didn't stumble into my $30k car by accident. I looked at the Mustang, the Challenger, and other cars. I looked at the Camaro. I researched and visited multiple dealerships & did multiple test drives. I had no intention of buying a V8. I specifically wanted a V6 in a nice package. The V8 is too damn loud, powerful & fun, but not for me. I do wish I got NPP exhaust on the V6, as that brings it to the absolute perfect sound pitch & level, but stock sound is still quite nice. I'm not sure why you think the V8 is somehow what V6 owners are lusting after.

Very well said, however on an enthusiast forum like this it's not gonna be anywhere near a shared opinion. I wanted no part of a V-8. After I read about how nice the V-6 was, and after I drove it , I agreed and bought it cash.

But this goes on on every board, the bigger badder car vs the "cheaper/smaller" one: I've seen it on the BMW boards - the 328 vs 335, the C7 z51 vs base car, etc. and for some reason, it always boils down with the guys who bought the bigger car telling the others all the reasons why the smaller owners bought their car, they couldn't afford it, they settled, etc. " as I said above, it seems to be prevalent on any enthusiast board or hobby. We are seeing the same thing now on the drone boards regarding the bigger DJI units vs their new cheap Spark at half the price.

[redcoats1976]

i picked my 2015 RS after driving several different trim levels/engines at our dealer.got what i wanted.even drove a 2004 vette but having two previous cars with no backseat i needed something that could haul a couple of grandkids or a 3rd adult once in a while.also noted that if i bought the vette my liscense would probably be gone within a month.ive owned a modified pontiac tempest with a built 400 for 25 years,a honda del sol,and a pontiac solstice(fun to drive but really impractical,the trunk was more like a second glovebox.)my camaro is pretty much a pontiac tempest that has gone to finishing school and learned how to be quiet,get good gas mileage,turn and stop with the best of them.having all the fancy stuff that comes with the RS package and knowing claimed top speed is over 150 doesnt hurt my feelings either,although im no longer crazy enough to go that fast.only downside to this car is at 75 in the solstice you felt like you were going fast,in the camaro i have to set the cruise control on the highway or i will be going faster than i intended to.

[Dave66]

No regrets and got the V6 with eyes wide open. Really happy with the car, it's as fast as my '66 Malibu that I resto-modded in the 90s (V8). If money was no object I'd be driving a big fat 392 Challenger T/A and not a cramped little Camaro haha.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by LesBaer

This is my opinion and I'm sorry if it offends anyone. The Camaro is not a practical car to begin with. Think about what drew you to the Camaro...I'm pretty sure it wasn't its practicality. If you want practical, you buy the equivalent of a Camry or an SUV. I don't understand why this suddenly becomes a conversation about practicality for some people when it should only be about which level of performance you need to fulfill yourself. Remember, this is a performance oriented sports car.

People who end up in this V6 vs. V8 quandary and can't decide always test drive them both and many buy the V6. The only way that this is not a mistake of epic proportions is if you can guarantee yourself that you will never want more power. Don't be fooled by gearing and low end torque. After a few weeks of V6 ownership you'll realize what I'm talking about if you don't already understand. It's nowhere near as fast as the V8 and has nowhere near the upside potential either.

Personally, even if someone offered me the $30k V6 car for $10k, I would feel as if I lit $10k on fire because I would not be happy. Considering that you can have the V8 for the same amount of $, there's absolutely no reason to buy a V6 Camaro unless your last name is Hertz. If you're breaking this down to the point of regular gas vs. premium, you probably shouldn't be buying a car at all.

I also feel that there are many people out there who would never admit that they made a mistake in buying the V6. People who spent $30k on a car want to tell you about how great of a buy it was, not that it was mistake. They probably can't even admit to themselves that it was a mistake. Again - not a mistake for everyone - only those that know they may eventually want more out of the car performance wise. Once you make a mistake like that you either have to live with it, or you'll spend more money (one way or another) trying to make up for it....and it'll be a lot more $ than the diff between the V6 and V8. If you're buying this car for performance, don't short change yourself. If you even have the slightest inclination to buy the V8 over the V6 now, get the more capable car, even if it's used. It's a buyer's market.

I saw your sig and suddenly I think you're a "tad" biased at 700+ RWHP.. pretty damn impressive.. but I have no real issues with my V6 and what I paid for it.. there's more to a car than its engine.

This is what the V6 Camaro appeals to. Single college / young adults who don't quite make $70k+ a year that it takes to feasibly afford an SS but still want a sporty coup.. There's no sin in that. Also you like many others are comparing apples and oranges in the prices of the V6 and V8.. if you're going to compare them, you need to compare them with similar option packages equipped.. meaning.. a 1LT to a 1SS or a 2LT to a 2SS.. a 2LT and 1SS are built for entirely different markets...The REAL price difference between a V6 and a V8 is actually closer to $10,000... so with that there is a justified reason the V6's exist. They will not attract the same crowd. 1SS are for those who just want it to blast down the track, don't care about creature comforts, ect. 2LT are for those who spend alot of time on the highway, ARE NOT BUYING IT FOR A GARAGE QUEEN, and want the extra features to keep them content on their commute.. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT HORSEPOWER

On a side note, I can't help but wonder how many of you have really owned a sports car before the 5th Gen, because quiet as kept the 1LT V6 is pretty close to LS1 territory and there was a time when LS1's were king of the road and there was nothing of practicality that could beat them short of a Ford Lightening or SVT Cobra, ect.. 98% of the drivers on the road don't even need THAT much power.. You're speaking in the heart of an enthusiast.. and not a practical driver of which the V6 is aimed for, and not every practical driver needs a back seat (in essence, single's)