[djfury05]

Originally Posted by Evolvedx27

Even better. 300 bucks extra. No brainer.

Already found a used one almost new for a great deal only $75 more than Mamo!

[Evolvedx27]

Originally Posted by djfury05

Already found a used one almost new for a great deal only $75 more than Mamo!

Look at that shit. Score. What brand are you going with? Katech?

[djfury05]

Originally Posted by Evolvedx27

Look at that shit. Score. What brand are you going with? Katech?

Katech/Nick Williams 103mm. Pretty sure it's Nick Williams design and Katech markets it with their logo.

[Evolvedx27]

Originally Posted by djfury05

Katech/Nick Williams 103mm. Pretty sure it's Nick Williams design and Katech markets it with their logo.

Not too shabby.

[cooden]

Originally Posted by djfury05

That's basically already been done with nice early results and plenty more to go.
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=502348

I won't have just the Whipple and tune. I've got ARH headers, Rotofab, ATI damper and 15% lower pulley coming etc. Although I've thought about losing the headers since most people don't gain a whole lot with them and the stock manifolds are pretty well flowing as is.

Djfury, I have the Whipple on my 2SS & I did ARH 1-7/8" Longtubes with no cats, Roto-Fab & Corsa Xtreme exhaust. I added the headers after everything was installed and tuned--I picked up 24hp & 21tq after car was retuned with headers. I could definitely tell a difference after I installed the headers. If your doing no cats, be prepared for LOUD cold starts and LOUD full throttle runs. I know the Corsa amplifies this--but man does it sound it awesome. To get an idea, click the link below to my IG--it's crazy.

[Whipple Charged]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I gotta question this...or anyone who says that an extra 2.5-3 psi of boost doesn't warrant a tune. A few years ago a top tuner in the Mustang world told a customer of his that adding a smaller pulley on his GT500 would not require a tune revision. Guess what happened. Now I'm not gonna harp on this, you guys are the experts, but I think adding an extra 2-3 psi boost thru a blower swap without a tune is very dangerous water. People have gotten DTCs and leaned out from simple CAI installs, ported TBs, etc. And a set of headers without a tune is enough to cause catastrophic engine failure. So how can adding an extra 2-3 psi boost thru a blower that has 1.2 liters more displacement than the stock unit and is a twin screw as opposed to a TVS not gonna need a tune? I just wanna clear that up because I gotta say, you guys are the pros and all, but that statement doesn't sit right.

Actually, when discussing Ford's, the GT500, Cobra, Ford GT and Lightning all ran rather well with stock calibrations if the stock MAF was unchanged. In fact, we passed our CARB testing with the Cobra, stock calibration, 4psi over stock.

On the ZL1, the stock cal works if you have the stock MAF. The slight increase in air does not throw it off enough to not run. Again, as we said, it runs far better with a custom calibration, but most customers want custom tunes with all the add-ons, which we can't offer due to our 50-state EO which is why its optional. The factory airbox is a major restriction, thermostat, exhaust, throttle body, etc. all make more power but all require custom cals. We never said it doesn't warrant a calibration, we said it runs with stock calibration but runs better with cal.

The stock 1.76L turns 21k+rpm at peak RPM limit, we are turning 15k so the volume of air is similar. The upside down design is similar in volume and the fuel system is unchanged. Therefore its just inside the factory calibration windows.

[Whipple Charged]

Originally Posted by cooden

Djfury, I have the Whipple on my 2SS & I did ARH 1-7/8" Longtubes with no cats, Roto-Fab & Corsa Xtreme exhaust. I added the headers after everything was installed and tuned--I picked up 24hp & 21tq after car was retuned with headers. I could definitely tell a difference after I installed the headers. If your doing no cats, be prepared for LOUD cold starts and LOUD full throttle runs. I know the Corsa amplifies this--but man does it sound it awesome. To get an idea, click the link below to my IG--it's crazy.

The Rotofab and LT's, with cats on my car (the test mule) picked up power big time. 45rwhp/50rwtrq. But like you said, insanely loud cold starts, far louder than I expected. But it does sound good.

[CarFlow1]

For those that went with the mod, how does the performance fare in comparison to its stock form?

[djfury05]

Originally Posted by cooden

Djfury, I have the Whipple on my 2SS & I did ARH 1-7/8" Longtubes with no cats, Roto-Fab & Corsa Xtreme exhaust. I added the headers after everything was installed and tuned--I picked up 24hp & 21tq after car was retuned with headers. I could definitely tell a difference after I installed the headers. If your doing no cats, be prepared for LOUD cold starts and LOUD full throttle runs. I know the Corsa amplifies this--but man does it sound it awesome. To get an idea, click the link below to my IG--it's crazy.

ARH headers already arrived so it's too late now lol. As long as it's not louder than my LS7 4th gen Camaro was with headers and dumped y-pipe we'll be good. I'm keeping stock NPP as well so I guess it'll probably be in tour mode for morning start ups now.

C'mon Whipple I'm getting anxious for this blower to show up!

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Whipple Charged

Actually, when discussing Ford's, the GT500, Cobra, Ford GT and Lightning all ran rather well with stock calibrations if the stock MAF was unchanged. In fact, we passed our CARB testing with the Cobra, stock calibration, 4psi over stock.

On the ZL1, the stock cal works if you have the stock MAF. The slight increase in air does not throw it off enough to not run. Again, as we said, it runs far better with a custom calibration, but most customers want custom tunes with all the add-ons, which we can't offer due to our 50-state EO which is why its optional. The factory airbox is a major restriction, thermostat, exhaust, throttle body, etc. all make more power but all require custom cals. We never said it doesn't warrant a calibration, we said it runs with stock calibration but runs better with cal.

The stock 1.76L turns 21k+rpm at peak RPM limit, we are turning 15k so the volume of air is similar. The upside down design is similar in volume and the fuel system is unchanged. Therefore its just inside the factory calibration windows.

Even if it a similar amount of air it is still an extra 2-3 psi of boost. So you're basically saying it "runs" meaning you could install it and granny-drive it to your dyno tuner for the tune. But you definitely couldn't install it and drive it like you normally would and take it to the track and WOT it. Right? That is what I mainly wanted to clear up.

[Whipple Charged]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Even if it a similar amount of air it is still an extra 2-3 psi of boost. So you're basically saying it "runs" meaning you could install it and granny-drive it to your dyno tuner for the tune. But you definitely couldn't install it and drive it like you normally would and take it to the track and WOT it. Right? That is what I mainly wanted to clear up.

No, you don't have to granny it. Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but the system has enough adapting to run 2-3psi more. You don't exceed your max boost level (just barely), fuel trims are near spot on, WOT is slightly rich. Now when you change the airbox, airflow increases, you now can exceed max airflow, fueling is off more.

I wouldn't tell you that you can run it stock if you couldn't. You can, its simply not as good as a custom cal for drivability/power. Again, 99% of people will be changing other parts which makes a base cal somewhat obsolete and our version has to maintain it's EO compatibility.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Whipple Charged

No, you don't have to granny it. Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but the system has enough adapting to run 2-3psi more. You don't exceed your max boost level (just barely), fuel trims are near spot on, WOT is slightly rich. Now when you change the airbox, airflow increases, you now can exceed max airflow, fueling is off more.

I wouldn't tell you that you can run it stock if you couldn't. You can, its simply not as good as a custom cal for drivability/power. Again, 99% of people will be changing other parts which makes a base cal somewhat obsolete and our version has to maintain it's EO compatibility.

I don't mean to drag this on and I trust that you guys are the experts and (would hope) that you know enough to be sure about this. But like I've said, people have gotten CELs from a simple CAI install. And not some crazy weird CAI...I've talked to a few people who got CELs from intakes that lots of us have used and are using without tunes. So I'm just not seeing how our stock calibrations can adjust for an extra 2 psi of boost. I don't see GM or any other manufacturer putting that much adjustability in their stock tune. I would love to have this blower one day in the future but I personally would never trust it on the stock cal. Although I personally would love to be a GP for this provided I had a some kind of guarantee that if the engine blew it would be covered, lol! But I think it is too risky to do without some sort of formal agreement should anything go wrong based on the tune. Has this actually been done by anyone? Is there any data to support this?

[djfury05]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I don't mean to drag this on and I trust that you guys are the experts and (would hope) that you know enough to be sure about this. But like I've said, people have gotten CELs from a simple CAI install. And not some crazy weird CAI...I've talked to a few people who got CELs from intakes that lots of us have used and are using without tunes. So I'm just not seeing how our stock calibrations can adjust for an extra 2 psi of boost. I don't see GM or any other manufacturer putting that much adjustability in their stock tune. I would love to have this blower one day in the future but I personally would never trust it on the stock cal. Although I personally would love to be a GP for this provided I had a some kind of guarantee that if the engine blew it would be covered, lol! But I think it is too risky to do without some sort of formal agreement should anything go wrong based on the tune. Has this actually been done by anyone? Is there any data to support this?

In none of Whipple's posts have they even recommended that it be ran with a stock calibration. You're just reaching now for the sake of argument. Can it be ran with the stock cal, yes. Should it be? Not if you want it to be optimized end of story. Move along.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by djfury05

In none of Whipple's posts have they even recommended that it be ran with a stock calibration. You're just reaching now for the sake of argument. Can it be ran with the stock cal, yes. Should it be? Not if you want it to be optimized end of story. Move along.

First off Jack, nobody is arguing. We're simply having a conversation. Everything on a forum where two people have a differing opinion and are discussing it DOES NOT have to be an argument. I am actually enjoying this conversation because it'll clear up a lot and I have no intentions of arguing or even debating with them. It is simply a conversation. So take your comment elsewhere. And if you haven't been following along, which apparently you haven't, they said it multiple times that you can bolt this system on without tuning it and run the stock tune file and drive the car normally. It is right there in the comment I replied to. Which is what I'm trying to clarify. So again, take your comment elsewhere. I'm trying to understand something. And others as well have questioned if it can be ran with the stock tune. Nobody needs you jumping in the middle of this trying to instigate pal.