[Risky Justice]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

indeed, imadeyoureadthis. It'll be fun to see what the replacement for the "you need a v8" is in a decade when all cars are hybrid or electric and blowing the doors off of the current day cars. Performance keeps going up but people's reaction times and driving skills can't/wont keep up. Despite what some may think, there does exist a point where there's too much power for the road.

When even the 4cyl can get < 5 second 0-60 times with some basic mods and a tune, i think we've reached a point where the rules of thumb and opinions of gear heads from the 80's and 90's or older are no longer valid. None of the camaro's are underpowered econo-boxes that just look like a camaro. And if you're worried about being embarrassed on the street by some import, dont be. There aren't many cars out there that have sub 5 second 60 mph times.

You're comparing modded cars to stock. That is never a fair comparison. The 4 cylinder can be cheaply modded, but the 6? Can't just up the boost or do a simple turbo upgrade on that. So really, the V6 is the worst engine choice for the Camaro. But it isn't about how many cylinders you have...it's what the power level is at. If GM put a twin turbo V6 in there with the same power as the V8 then I would have no problem driving that. If they made an electric Camaro similar to the Tesla Model S, then I would prefer that to the V8--or any other engine for that matter.

[dotfiles]

Originally Posted by Camarolover85

I wouldn't turn down the torque, that's for sure! I just laugh at everyone with their big SS pretending like every car ever made has had 450HP and torque. The V6 is where V8's used to be so you're only making yourself look stupid because everyone knows you thought your 2000 SS was bad. Small member syndrome I guess.

What?

[Stex]

Originally Posted by Risky Justice

If GM put a twin turbo V6 in there with the same power as the V8 then I would have no problem driving that. If they made an electric Camaro similar to the Tesla Model S, then I would prefer that to the V8--or any other engine for that matter.

Prefer electric to the sound of a V-8? Say it Ain't so Joe!

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by Stex

Prefer electric to the sound of a V-8? Say it Ain't so Joe!

sound preference will change as cars change. The v8 american sound isn't preferred in europe, south east asia like it is here. The preferred sound of a high performance car will evolve as the high performance car evolves - even in the US.

[Stex]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

sound preference will change as cars change. The v8 american sound isn't preferred in europe, south east asia like it is here. The preferred sound of a high performance car will evolve as the high performance car evolves - even in the US.

Not talking about those 'enlighten' countries. No evolution to a whirr over a high lift cam for me. And many, many others I know.

[SSJ455]

V8 all the way!! I test drove a 2017 2SS on Saturday and I am picking it up on Monday. It is soooooooo much better than the V6 I had in my 2011.
I CANNOT WAIT TO GET IT!!

[Camarolover85]

Originally Posted by Risky Justice

By that logic, a 1957 Corvette is fast and we probably shouldn't have bothered making anything faster than that. I am pretty sure a 4th gen Camaro SS is faster than a 6th gen V6...but even if it isn't, you're comparing your car to something 14 years older...does that make you feel good? lol

What is considered fast is all relative to the day's technology. If you can't understand that, then I'm not sure what to tell you. In another 100 years all of the cars on the road today will probably be considered slow. But hey, keep telling yourself a V6 Camaro is somehow worth it--you're only fooling yourselves.

lol I don't need your acceptance to enjoy my car. I'm not worried about the size of my wiener and don't go parading around town pretending I'm a race car driver. Newsflash, your car isn't a race car either, it goes ONE AND A HALF SECONDS faster down a track. The reality is you just look like a total DB coming online to inform people you're an idiot and don't agree with their life choices. Maybe you should have bought a ZL1 that way you didn't have to be a middle of the pack camaro. I mean, who would buy an SS if they are worried about extreme performance?

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by SSJ455

V8 all the way!! I test drove a 2017 2SS on Saturday and I am picking it up on Monday. It is soooooooo much better than the V6 I had in my 2011.
I CANNOT WAIT TO GET IT!!

That's awesome you're getting that but just a heads up the V6 in the new one is so much better than your 2011 as well like a full second faster zero to 60 times

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by Risky Justice

Uh, the ZL1 guys don't hate on the SS because it's the same engine more or less, you know? If the SS had a twin turbo V6 I would still hate on the N/A turd engine. The V8 gets the same gas mileage as the V6, so not sure why that supposed point keeps coming up. I have averaged 27.6mpg with a best of 28.2 on a recent road trip, and I wasn't taking my time getting up to speed either. And this idea that the V6 is more nimble is just hilarious. Your V6 won't be close behind unless there is a vast difference in driving ability...but hey, nice imagination you guys have there. Also, I didn't know 30 years was considered old. And more money than what we know what to do with? That's why we have Camaros? lol

Oh, I drive my car every day with no issues. Such a good daily driver.

Yeah but you see...you're making one hell of an assumption.
You seem to think that everyone wants 455 HP to blast through the streets with or that they want to mod every car that they buy and that isn't always the case. There are alot of people who will be content with 330ish (I cant remember the exact LGX numbers) HP in a fully loaded car. The price difference between a fully loaded V6 and a fully loaded V8 (model for model) is about $10k... Comparing a 2LT to a 1SS is moot, they're engineered for two different crowds..Someone who wants to thrash their car down the track isn't going to consider a 2LT, but someone who wants more creature comforts while commuting just may love the 2LT even over the 1SS as the motor does provide more than sufficient power for DAILY DRIVING. Also it's much cheaper to insure (The SS costs more, thus will be more expensive to insure as they have to recoop that incase of a total loss), uses regular - I don't know where you are from, but the price difference between regular unleaded and premium unleaded in most of the Southeast is more than $0.60, where as in the Pacific coast (or atleast the last time I've been) its about $0.30.. Yes...the SS is fun as **** to drive.. but not everyone needs a balls to the wall high performance machine.

The V6 is a FUN car, it's not a FAST car, it's not a SLOW car either.. it's designed for those who want a reliable and fun commute and for the crowd that doesn't care too much about competition and probably not so much in modding. I personally wouldn't do more than intake and exhaust ..I'm not expecting 400 HP out of my V6..unless I go F.I. which I'm not doing..I'll go SS before I do that..but I have no fever to mod it.

Another thing, you failed to answer my previous post..the cars that you mentioned against the V6 were severely over-rated, 2 of them were far more costly than the prices you noted, 1 of them barely even exists in the United States...

[SSJ455]

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

That's awesome you're getting that but just a heads up the V6 in the new one is so much better than your 2011 as well like a full second faster zero to 60 times

Yep, but you can't beat that V8 rumble

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by SSJ455

Yep, but you can't beat that V8 rumble

That I will agree especially if you're going to throw an exhaust on it I used to have the SLP loudmouth 2 on my LS1 Camaro it sounded ridiculously fantastic I will say the NPP sounds fantastic on the V6 6 gen but nowhere near as good as the SLP you're going to enjoy your new car bro

[LtColumbo]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

sound preference will change as cars change. The v8 american sound isn't preferred in europe, south east asia like it is here. The preferred sound of a high performance car will evolve as the high performance car evolves - even in the US.

...and CVT is/will be the preferred transmission. AARRGGG!!!!

[Camarolover85]

Originally Posted by SSJ455

Yep, but you can't beat that V8 rumble

Nope, that's definitely a V8 win but my V6 with my flowmaster sounds pretty GD good to my ears. If the V8 was the price of the V6 I'd take the V8 but it isn't and it's not something I need in my life. I have a house, an upcoming wedding in Hawaii, 6 weeks in Italy and a ton of other things to budget for. Someday I'll buy a V8 and it will be a ZL1 and I'll drive it 2 days a week for 5 months out of the year and I'll still drive the speed limit and it will never see a track.

[bybcous]

I have lower spec 1ss and would not switch to a 2ss. There is nothing there performance wide that justifies the difference.