[Rusty35]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

This my friends is perfect example of Trump and the media.

1) Bad info was reported
2) Uninformed people were influenced

Air intakes DO make the engine make more power by allowing the engine to suck in its max air CFM.

I don't know how you can say "no one serious about drag racing" because I know many a guy who drag race their bone stock cars and get the most out of them that they can. And some of them are very serious.

So you are saying they make more power with an air filter than with out?
As you said, it allows the engine to do what it is capable of, same as tires.

[bobby35ny]

Is it really that much on a 6th gen? Been a while since I looked at it but thought it wasnt much at all? If its that much I may need to reconsider one for the 2SS. The info I remember was lime 10hp and no change in ET or MPH at the track.

YUP, 20-25 on the ZL1, Remember they use almost the same box. The extra air benefits the supercharger for sure.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showth...hlight=rotofab

-Bobby

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

I take offense to being called a liar. Not once have I said anything about my car being considered stock........or not. Ive said to put the tire the car, any car, requires to make the most of what its got. But go to the drag strip and start talking about street tires on the track and see how that works out. Racers hate it because they know its pointless and ruins the prep to boot.

You said that changing tires is not a mod. That is the lie I was talking about. Perhaps you did not specifically say your car is stock, but you are claiming that changing tires is not a mod, and therefore by your way of thinking, your car with DRs mounted is included in the 'not modded' group. Perhaps I could have made the point better, but the inference was there.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Dodge may have used crap tires as a fuse but seems odd that was the reason considering they released two NHRA official 1/4 mile times to account for DR vs standard summer perf tires. I think it was more bean counter involvement. Drive shaft has been updated as of 2016. Only heard of one breaking but I wouldnt trust that personally. Car weighs 4500lbs and needs a real good drive shaft....Demon appears to be a direct swap. Personally Id prefer crap tires over torque management as thats a much easier and less expensive problem to solve vs having to tune.

One is a engineering omission and the other a engineered solution. The Hellcat needs the tire/drive shaft problem solved, the ZL1's torque management does not.

In the end, the ZL1 does everything superbly. Comfort, track and strip.

At least we now agree that the goal would be modifying the car to increase its capability.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

You said that changing tires is not a mod. That is the lie I was talking about. Perhaps you did not specifically say your car is stock, but you are claiming that changing tires is not a mod, and therefore by your way of thinking, your car with DRs mounted is included in the 'not modded' group. Perhaps I could have made the point better, but the inference was there.

The term stock is a loose term these days. Many running DRs claim to run stock tires because the DRs are on the stock rim, race gas, and hidden tunes are also considered stock. Hidden exhaust modifications and weight reduction are also common. This practice is across the board with all makes.

[JB'sZL1]

Originally Posted by newmoon

The term stock is a loose term these days. Many running DRs claim to run stock tires because the DRs are on the stock rim, race gas, and hidden tunes are also considered stock. Hidden exhaust modifications and weight reduction are also common. This practice is across the board with all makes.

Well, then..."Bone stock." That is not a loose term.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

Well, then..."Bone stock." That is not a loose term.

Actually when somebody runs an insane pass in comparison to all others ever, it should be.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

The term stock is a loose term these days. Many running DRs claim to run stock tires because the DRs are on the stock rim, race gas, and hidden tunes are also considered stock. Hidden exhaust modifications and weight reduction are also common. This practice is across the board with all makes.

^^^ spokesman for the majority of people right here.

Some like the challenge of trying to squeeze the most out of the stock combination. That is challenging and becomes a test of the driver rather than his wallet. Big Dave comes to mind

[NicD]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Actually when somebody runs an insane pass in comparison to all others ever, it should be.

When somebody runs an insane pass compared to all others ever they are usually lying and it's modified.

Originally Posted by hotlap

Some like the challenge of trying to squeeze the most out of the stock combination. That is challenging and becomes a test of the driver rather than his wallet. Big Dave comes to mind

Let's be real, the only people who are competitively setting records in showroom stock condition live in areas with good gas, negative DA, and tracks that stick like glue. Driving has hardly anything to do with it since it's as easy as hitting the gas in these cars.

[HAMMERHEAD15]

Originally Posted by NicD

When somebody runs an insane pass compared to all others ever they are usually lying and it's modified.


Let's be real, the only people who are competitively setting records in showroom stock condition live in areas with good gas, negative DA, and tracks that stick like glue. Driving has hardly anything to do with it since it's as easy as hitting the gas in these cars.

Ain't nobody with an A10 seen anywhere close to a negative DA yet! Also nothing better than a 1.7 60 ft. So to say it's the track is BS! I have yet to be able to turn the nannies off and launch the car with all it has on stock tires. You have to drive it!

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by newmoon

The term stock is a loose term these days. Many running DRs claim to run stock tires because the DRs are on the stock rim, race gas, and hidden tunes are also considered stock. Hidden exhaust modifications and weight reduction are also common. This practice is across the board with all makes.

That's what you call a blow hard, lie sack, etc. Lol!

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

Well, then..."Bone stock." That is not a loose term.

Agree 100%. Bone stock means nothing has been changed at all. 100% factory condition. Nothing loose about that.

Originally Posted by hotlap

^^^ spokesman for the majority of people right here.

Some like the challenge of trying to squeeze the most out of the stock combination. That is challenging and becomes a test of the driver rather than his wallet. Big Dave comes to mind

Agree. I plan to do the best I can bone stock, then do the same with a tire only. Once I've reached the point of not caring about my remaining warranty or if my dealer agrees to warranty my car with small mods, then I'll start modding.

[96MrBass]

And that's why there's something called averages. Just because a car rips off a 10.9? and then a bunch of 11.4s and a couple of 11.2's it's average would be somewhere around 11.3 or so. Is it capable of a high 10 yes but certainly not it's average pass. A consistent car will usually win out pass after pass in "most"cases.

[S.T.A.R.]

Agree 100%. Bone stock means "nothing has been changed at all". 100% factory condition. Nothing loose about that.

That sums it up very clearly! NOTHING!

[S.T.A.R.]

These tires are plenty good for running 1/4 mile shots.