[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Huh?? Hellcats don't heat soak at all and I've watched them run almost an identical number over and over at the track. I'll have mine out soon enough and will do lots of testing myself to confirm.



No one's running stock rubber on the Hellcat, that's why you don't see many times. 10.60s and 10.70s are pretty much the norm on DRs. Anyone running street tires on a 700+HP car at the track is an idiot and it's dangerous.

Yes, they heat soak and the et's will slow when you make back to back to back passes. Just the nature of the beast.

[Speedy1975]

The 555R was changed just before I purchased them, and that was a couple years ago. I was very surprised how long they lasted given the traction they provided.

If the factory tires on the ZL1 do as good (or better) for traction I'll be curious how long they last. Probably not long and probably more expensive than an alternative, but that's fun tax I guess LOL.

[mdmoore23]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

The 555R was changed just before I purchased them, and that was a couple years ago. I was very surprised how long they lasted given the traction they provided.

If the factory tires on the ZL1 do as good (or better) for traction I'll be curious how long they last. Probably not long and probably more expensive than an alternative, but that's fun tax I guess LOL.

Oh yes, I don't expect much life out of them. They're only rated 220 for treadwear. And they come with about 7/32 of tread from the factory, which is about the same as a 555R. Not sure on the price of rears, but I know it's mid $300 range. They really are awesome for a street tire though.

[trz174]

A bone stock ZL1 A10 will run multiple 10.9s this December when we get a good driver at one of the tracks that has historically low DA and a high reputation for track prep. They will need to make about 15-20 runs to get everything to work but it may happen sooner. Bone stock means as equipped off the showroom floor. Maximum of three squirts from the windshield washer and at least 1/2 tank of gas. We went through the same discussions about hero runs for a bone stock SS A8 hitting 11's. Pretty common now but someone needs to hit the right combination. I volunteer to drive and suggest South Georgia Motorsports Park on a good day in mid-December. All we need is a car...

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by trz174

A bone stock ZL1 A10 will run multiple 10.9s this December when we get a good driver at one of the tracks that has historically low DA and a high reputation for track prep. They will need to make about 15-20 runs to get everything to work but it may happen sooner. Bone stock means as equipped off the showroom floor. Maximum of three squirts from the windshield washer and at least 1/2 tank of gas. We went through the same discussions about hero runs for a bone stock SS A8 hitting 11's. Pretty common now but someone needs to hit the right combination. I volunteer to drive and suggest South Georgia Motorsports Park on a good day in mid-December. All we need is a car...

Geeze, are you guys serious with this stock tire, three squirts from the washer garbage? Put the best tires on the thing it can handle, run the tank as low as possible, and make a good pass!

Who cares about this stuff really? Put good tires on the car if it needs them and let it eat! If I line up to one in my Hellcat and whip it, I don't want the guy saying "well I would've won if I had tires". Gimme a break. As long as it's stock power, that's all that matters. I wanna know how fast it is, not how fast it is in hand cuffs.

[trz174]

Ok, it's just me with the comment (singular, I don't have other guys on my side) and I care. I have shared an opinon that is based on my experience and feedback from this and other forums. My comment is about a bone stock car. I get that if you put other tires on the car it will go faster (I'm on the mod list with a tire change so not really a surprise). But, be clear - are you advocating for more or less than three squirts? Kinda confusing when you talk about tire changes that (read the rules) are a clear modification and then don't pick up the sarcasm on the washer fluid. Focus?

Please review my comment - it may help you understand my point. My runs are real and that is why they are posted in the appropriate categories.

[wnta1ss]

You're not the only one trz174, I agree that bone stock is BONE STOCK. Drag Radials are not stock on a ZL1, or a normal HC either.

[JB'sZL1]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

You're not the only one trz174, I agree that bone stock is BONE STOCK. Drag Radials are not stock on a ZL1, or a normal HC either.

Ditto. Bone stock is bone stock.

Drag radials and skinnies are not stock.

[Speedy1975]

Who cares besides folks who live their lives in the pages of Motor Trend and never get out to do any real racing? Don't be so cheap and get a set of real wheels and tires for the track. Real racers know better LOL I learned that lesson 10 years ago, but it did take real world experience for me to understand 600+ RWHP cars need purpose built tires at the track. It makes you look silly to those in the know just FYI so if you're in to that kinda thing best not to post it all over the forum haha.

Ok, that last comment may be a bit harsh, and I'm kidding, not really, but seriously

If the ZL1 never gets out of the 11s on stock tires, well.....feel for you guys as it sounds like that will be your benchmark and it's really limiting potential.

[96MrBass]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Who cares besides folks who live their lives in the pages of Motor Trend and never get out to do any real racing? Don't be so cheap and get a set of real wheels and tires for the track. Real racers know better LOL I learned that lesson 10 years ago, but it did take real world experience for me to understand 600+ RWHP cars need purpose built tires at the track. It makes you look silly to those in the know just FYI so if you're in to that kinda thing best not to post it all over the forum haha.

Ok, that last comment may be a bit harsh, and I'm kidding, not really, but seriously

If the ZL1 never gets out of the 11s on stock tires, well.....feel for you guys as it sounds like that will be your benchmark and it's really limiting potential.

Pretty sure when you started this tread you wanted to start it like this.
( Ha! so it's been a while and still no 10's in a ZL1 like plenty of hellcat's? )
You keep referring to being a drag racer shouldn't we be going by consistent/averages 1/4 mile passes?

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

Pretty sure when you started this tread you wanted to start it like this.
( Ha! so it's been a while and still no 10's in a ZL1 like plenty of hellcat's? )
You keep referring to being a drag racer shouldn't we be going by consistent/averages 1/4 mile passes?

I have a Camaro 2SS as well as the Hellcat, so I have no reason not to want to see the ZL1 do well. The Gen5 ZL1 was a joke and I'm hoping Chevy got it right this time.

What I have a HUGE problem with is all the mis-informed, stick their heads in the sand, fanboys out there, and that goes for this forum and others I'm on, but this one is one of the worst. I've heard the Vette forum takes all the cake, but I could care less about a Vette and would never own one so don't care about those folks. I have friends with Vettes and most fit the stereotype perfectly.

There was a ZL1 vs Hellcat thread started back in the winter and all the fanboys on this site were jumping up and down at how the ZL1 was gonna whip the Hellcat. Then the power at 650 was announced and I posted that wasn't gonna be enough. I hadn't even considered torque mgmt at that time, but seems that's going to be the real challenge as well.

Now folks are leaning on the stock tire as an excuse knowing Dodge handicapped the Hellcat with crappy tires that NO ONE that is serious uses.

I wanna see what the ZL1 can do on real tires so all the excuses are taken away and we know what it's capable of. Seeing what it can do on stock tires is fine and good, but that is NOT the benchmark for the car. Stock tires are a compromise between engineers, lawyers, and bean counters when you're talking OEM spec. Dodge engineers flat out said they'd use DRs on the Hellcat hands down, hmmm why didn't it come with them then? Demon has them and you have to sign a 10 page waiver to buy the car LOL.

I'm passionate about cars as well as forum post accuracy so forgive me if I seem a little fired up at times. I've been through a lot of this myself and had to learn. I thought I was gonna magically run 11s in my old Challenger with a built motor and a supercharger on street tires. It was an M6 to boot and people tried to tell me but I didn't believe them because I was uneducated. 6 trips to the track and never getting better than a 12.2 was a real eye opener especially considering the trap speed was over 120. Later I saw the light, swapped tires and ran 10.80s in the end. Yes my driving also improved, but the 60' went from 2.2 to 1.5.

[JB'sZL1]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

I have a Camaro 2SS as well as the Hellcat, so I have no reason not to want to see the ZL1 do well. The Gen5 ZL1 was a joke and I'm hoping Chevy got it right this time.

What I have a HUGE problem with is all the mis-informed, stick their heads in the sand, fanboys out there, and that goes for this forum and others I'm on, but this one is one of the worst. I've heard the Vette forum takes all the cake, but I could care less about a Vette and would never own one so don't care about those folks. I have friends with Vettes and most fit the stereotype perfectly.

There was a ZL1 vs Hellcat thread started back in the winter and all the fanboys on this site were jumping up and down at how the ZL1 was gonna whip the Hellcat. Then the power at 650 was announced and I posted that wasn't gonna be enough. I hadn't even considered torque mgmt at that time, but seems that's going to be the real challenge as well.

Now folks are leaning on the stock tire as an excuse knowing Dodge handicapped the Hellcat with crappy tires that NO ONE that is serious uses.

I wanna see what the ZL1 can do on real tires so all the excuses are taken away and we know what it's capable of. Seeing what it can do on stock tires is fine and good, but that is NOT the benchmark for the car. Stock tires are a compromise between engineers, lawyers, and bean counters when you're talking OEM spec. Dodge engineers flat out said they'd use DRs on the Hellcat hands down, hmmm why didn't it come with them then? Demon has them and you have to sign a 10 page waiver to buy the car LOL.

I'm passionate about cars as well as forum post accuracy so forgive me if I seem a little fired up at times. I've been through a lot of this myself and had to learn. I thought I was gonna magically run 11s in my old Challenger with a built motor and a supercharger on street tires. It was an M6 to boot and people tried to tell me but I didn't believe them because I was uneducated. 6 trips to the track and never getting better than a 12.2 was a real eye opener especially considering the trap speed was over 120. Later I saw the light, swapped tires and ran 10.80s in the end. Yes my driving also improved, but the 60' went from 2.2 to 1.5.

I don't know how the gen 5 Z is a joke. Consistent mid 11's bone stock times, 7.28 'ring time, 1.03 skidpad, phenomenal braking and superior riding and driveability.

Nobody is preventing anyone form throwing dr's and skinnies on a Z. But then it's a one trick pony. My comment was for comparison's sake: stock for stock. You want to make it better for track, strip, or launch...all the more power to you. Just comparing bone stock for bone stock...before thousands, or tens of thousands are spent on mods.

[bobby35ny]

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

I don't know how the gen 5 Z is a joke. Consistent mid 11's bone stock times, 7.28 'ring time, 1.03 skidpad, phenomenal braking and superior riding and driveability.

Nobody is preventing anyone form throwing dr's and skinnies on a Z. But then it's a one trick pony. My comment was for comparison's sake: stock for stock. You want to make it better for track, strip, or launch...all the more power to you. Just comparing bone stock for bone stock...before thousands, or tens of thousands are spent on mods.

Speedy has been here a very long time, he's not a troll.
While I disagree with him about DR tires for STOCK times, He's a solid guy...

Speedy, I will tell you this.......The M6 SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS to launch. Pulls timing and bogs no matter what you do.

Consistent mid 11's for 5th gen ZL1, Only in Auto with low MPH in the teens, not with the M6, M6 much slower.

-Bobby

[396ssrat]

Stock tires is a silly argument. I guess it keeps the egos from being put in their place. At the track (drag strip) we call 600+hp cars with stock tires "wall bangers". But hey, it was wrecked on stock tires.