GM CANT TRACK TUNE

zepol9 · 08-16-2017, 09:06 PM

Is there any tune anyone has actually tested to be not traceable by gm if you had to take your car in

LibertyHill · 08-16-2017, 09:40 PM

No such thing.

WhiteNight · 08-16-2017, 10:29 PM

Allegedly SCT and Diablo are not. According to them.

zepol9 · 08-16-2017, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteNight

Allegedly SCT and Diablo are not. According to them.

Thats the thing according to them so has anyone tried it ? lol

WhiteNight · 08-17-2017, 12:31 AM

I wonder if GM denies the claim, will SCT or Diablo pick up the Bill? Hmmmm....

ninetres · 08-17-2017, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteNight

Allegedly SCT and Diablo are not. According to them.

Is this in writing somewhere?

WhiteNight · 08-17-2017, 01:15 AM

It's in one of the RDP threads where they have the sale.

solarstingray · 08-18-2017, 09:04 AM

trust me they can find out !!!

BadBowtieProductions · 08-18-2017, 09:16 AM

Not sure if it's true or not so take this with a grain of salt...

I've heard from a few people they don't even bother to read the tunes anymore. They have a "flash" counter in the PCM and if the number of flashes doesn't match service records, they can deny a warranty claim.

So for instance, if you bought the GM CAI and had them flash/write a tune on for it, if you came back with anymore than 1 flash, they can deny you.

Michigan1LTRS · 08-18-2017, 09:22 AM

If you have a flux capacitor installed they can't see.

bobby35ny · 08-18-2017, 01:06 PM

IF, just saying IF!!
If the SCT or diablo tunes got peoples warranty voided you would see it all over the forums and its not there.
I remember seeing one guy who forgot to reload stock tune get nailed.
-Bobby

reeper · 08-18-2017, 01:25 PM

I actually just called both companies.

SCT: The guy a spoke with didn't see that knowledgeable but wasn't sure if GM would be able to see the flash-counts or not. But felt if your programmed back to stick you'd be fine. I left the call with not a high-level of confidence.

Diablo: This gentleman stated they froze the flash-counter for their flashes and GM would only see their flashes to the PCM. This guy seemed a bit more knowledgeable and I left the call with a bit more enthusiasm for this device.

Update:
I actually went a step further and contacted a few of the retailers on this board. All were up-front and indicated if your going to tune there will always be some tell-tale sign of it. Whether its legitimate proof is always up for debate. The other noteworthy thing worth mentioning was that most tuners indicated non-significant performance gains with canned-tunes and was more about throttle response and shift-points. So right now I'm leaning towards neither the SCT or Diablo. IF and when I'm ready to tune I'll prolly do the HP Tuner route with flex-fuel as that sounds like a more significant gain.

slick3 · 08-18-2017, 01:54 PM

I will side with GM borking you on this. The flash counter everyone is talking about seems like the preferred method by both GM and Ford. They arent going to dig into the tune file they will simply say its been flashed by a non-gm dealer therefor you are voided.

Who can blame GM for doing this, they arent going to lose their ass over someone who decided to mess with the tuning. I would get it in writing from Diablo or SCT. I know SCT on the 5.0's writes to the flash counter, not sure about Diablo.

ninetres · 08-18-2017, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reeper

I actually just called both companies.

SCT: The guy a spoke with didn't see that knowledgeable but wasn't sure if GM would be able to see the flash-counts or not. But felt if your programmed back to stick you'd be fine. I left the call with not a high-level of confidence.

Diablo: This gentleman stated they froze the flash-counter for their flashes and GM would only see their flashes to the PCM. This guy seemed a bit more knowledgeable and I left the call with a bit more enthusiasm for this device.

Neither of those responses seem like a simple yes/no answer to me, unless I am reading your cliff notes wrong. It's a such a simple question. "Can GM techs see if the car has been tuned with "Your" device, after stock tune is reinstalled? Any elongated answer might as well be "yes" to me.

08-16-2017, 09:06 PM	#1
zepol9 Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS NGM Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: ca Posts: 210	GM CANT TRACK TUNE Is there any tune anyone has actually tested to be not traceable by gm if you had to take your car in

08-16-2017, 09:40 PM	#2
LibertyHill Drives: 16 2SS 6MT NPP MRC / 15 K1300S Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: NW of Austin Posts: 1,034	No such thing. __________________ Rohana RFX-5 10/11, M/T 275/305, Eibachs, Hellwigs, Hurst SS, DMS LT4 SC 596HP/589TQ, DMS Low-side, Kooks 2LTs, MBRP Race, Rotofab, MMS CC

08-18-2017, 09:16 AM	#9
BadBowtieProductions Check me out on YouTube! Drives: 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: STL Posts: 160	Not sure if it's true or not so take this with a grain of salt... I've heard from a few people they don't even bother to read the tunes anymore. They have a "flash" counter in the PCM and if the number of flashes doesn't match service records, they can deny a warranty claim. So for instance, if you bought the GM CAI and had them flash/write a tune on for it, if you came back with anymore than 1 flash, they can deny you. __________________ 2016 Camaro SS - A8, NPP, 2SS, Nightfall Gray Metallic 11.68 @ 118 - CAI Intake - TSP 2" Longtubes - DSX Tuning Flex Fuel - DSX Tuned 11.91 @ 117 - CAI intake only 11.99 @ 117 - STOCK 1/4 mile 410 RWHP / 424 RWTQ - STOCK Dyno --- YouTube Channel: BadBowtieProductions

08-18-2017, 09:22 AM	#10
Michigan1LTRS Blessed ❤️ Drives: 2017 1LT RS I4 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,577	If you have a flux capacitor installed they can't see. __________________ 2017 1LT RS I4 A8 BLACK ON BLACK Kindness and compassion #OthersFirst

08-18-2017, 01:06 PM	#11
bobby35ny Drives: 18 ZL1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South East, FL Posts: 3,023	IF, just saying IF!! If the SCT or diablo tunes got peoples warranty voided you would see it all over the forums and its not there. I remember seeing one guy who forgot to reload stock tune get nailed. -Bobby __________________ 2017 ZL1 M6 Bog City, 2013 ZL1 M6, 2010 2SS M6 ZL1::J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS

08-16-2017, 10:29 PM	#3
WhiteNight Drives: MB 1SS Join Date: May 2017 Location: Easton, PA Posts: 321	Allegedly SCT and Diablo are not. According to them.

08-17-2017, 12:31 AM	#5
WhiteNight Drives: MB 1SS Join Date: May 2017 Location: Easton, PA Posts: 321	I wonder if GM denies the claim, will SCT or Diablo pick up the Bill? Hmmmm....

08-17-2017, 01:15 AM	#7
WhiteNight Drives: MB 1SS Join Date: May 2017 Location: Easton, PA Posts: 321	It's in one of the RDP threads where they have the sale.

08-18-2017, 09:04 AM	#8
solarstingray Drives: 2014 c7 corvette and 2017 camaro ss Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: orlando Posts: 224	trust me they can find out !!!

08-18-2017, 01:25 PM	#12
reeper Drives: 2010 HD D/A, 2015 Z06, 2016 2SS Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Central WI Posts: 503	I actually just called both companies. SCT: The guy a spoke with didn't see that knowledgeable but wasn't sure if GM would be able to see the flash-counts or not. But felt if your programmed back to stick you'd be fine. I left the call with not a high-level of confidence. Diablo: This gentleman stated they froze the flash-counter for their flashes and GM would only see their flashes to the PCM. This guy seemed a bit more knowledgeable and I left the call with a bit more enthusiasm for this device. Update: I actually went a step further and contacted a few of the retailers on this board. All were up-front and indicated if your going to tune there will always be some tell-tale sign of it. Whether its legitimate proof is always up for debate. The other noteworthy thing worth mentioning was that most tuners indicated non-significant performance gains with canned-tunes and was more about throttle response and shift-points. So right now I'm leaning towards neither the SCT or Diablo. IF and when I'm ready to tune I'll prolly do the HP Tuner route with flex-fuel as that sounds like a more significant gain. __________________ 2016 Hyper Blue A8 2SS GM Bodykit: Black MRR 017 wheels: Black OEM Blackout tail-lamps OEM SEMA Grille 35% window tint Black glow-tie BMR Suspension (Pretty much everything) ACS rear-deck spoiler Rotofab CAI Lolly-pop red rotors by Madison Powder Coating Last edited by reeper; 08-18-2017 at 03:14 PM.

08-18-2017, 01:54 PM	#13
slick3 Drives: Garnet Red - 20 ZLE Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,010	I will side with GM borking you on this. The flash counter everyone is talking about seems like the preferred method by both GM and Ford. They arent going to dig into the tune file they will simply say its been flashed by a non-gm dealer therefor you are voided. Who can blame GM for doing this, they arent going to lose their ass over someone who decided to mess with the tuning. I would get it in writing from Diablo or SCT. I know SCT on the 5.0's writes to the flash counter, not sure about Diablo.

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