Why are aftermarket exhausts SO FREAKING EXPENSIVE for these cars? - Page 6

nbryant · 08-03-2017, 05:53 PM

Bitching about price, really? There is a cost today to do business. Between the R&D, distribution expenses all being offset by sales numbers they try to reach a balance that makes it worth their time. At the end of the day you have two choices, pay and enjoy what it offers, or spend your money elsewhere.

BradfordCamaro · 08-03-2017, 06:13 PM

Some keep saying R&D??
Sizing mufflers to fit is not R&D

ninetres · 08-03-2017, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro

Some keep saying R&D??
Sizing mufflers to fit is not R&D

Exactly.

Any R/D considerations in regards to producing a cat back offering has been the same since the beginning of automobiles....layout, attachment to cats, pipe sizing, material choice, muffler selection, fitment, sound etc.. The only thing arguably "new" on SOME of the gen 6 camaro is integration of NPP functionality.

Norm Peterson · 08-03-2017, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro

Some keep saying R&D??
Sizing mufflers to fit is not R&D

Sizing the end stubs isn't R&D. Sizing the case and sizing/locating the details on the inside to come up with the desired sound and reasonably low restriction is.

Norm

BMGR1 · 08-04-2017, 04:58 AM

Buy CA Performance test pipes and mate them to the stock npp exhaust, you'll be glad you did and for $400..... not to mention you gain a few ponies

Megahurtz · 08-04-2017, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro

Some keep saying R&D??
Sizing mufflers to fit is not R&D

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninetres

Exactly.

Any R/D considerations in regards to producing a cat back offering has been the same since the beginning of automobiles....layout, attachment to cats, pipe sizing, material choice, muffler selection, fitment, sound etc.. The only thing arguably "new" on SOME of the gen 6 camaro is integration of NPP functionality.

If you think Borla only sized mufflers as R&D then don't spend your money on it.

All of the competitors that drone like a mofo only "fit mufflers" in place. Read the forums, you will see people trying to save $$, buy the cheaper cat back systems, then complain and try to sell them because they fit like crap or have unbearable drone. Somehow Borla got it all 100% right, perfect fit, no drove, amazing sound, quality stainless, very descriptive instructions, great warrant and customer service. Never have I ever seen someone who bought a Borla system want to return it.

Man they must have just gotten lucky.

enzia35 · 08-04-2017, 05:52 PM

No drone is worth it.

streetyme · 08-04-2017, 08:50 PM

I have Borla on my mustang and the 370z so I understand about the quality and sound , but for me wanted to try something different so I went a different route .. So far I am happy going with Flowmaster ..

MAGAUSA · 08-04-2017, 09:41 PM

Yeah, just when I think I want something different, I think about the price and the fact that any aftermarket NPP uses the same crappy OEM valves that will end up rattling.

GoneBoy · 08-05-2017, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by streetyme

I have Borla on my mustang and the 370z so I understand about the quality and sound , but for me wanted to try something different so I went a different route .. So far I am happy going with Flowmaster ..

Ditto. I have magnaflow on the 350z. Only paid $700 for the full cat back, granted that was a decade ago.

No disrespect to borla or anyone who's running them, but the tone wasn't deep enough for my tastes. Flowmaster American thunder + kooks headers + kooks catted connection pipes = the v8 sound i was looking for.

bybcous · 08-05-2017, 10:36 AM

That's why my car has all these mods and stock exhaust lol. I'm not paying those prices for a catback. To each there own though.

crankaholic · 08-05-2017, 12:49 PM

You guys should check out how much an Akrapovic exhaust setup costs, or something of similar quality... Borla seems to try and produce quality products for a still reasonable price. If you really don't care about drone, fit, weight, craftsmanship, etc... just buy some mufflers and have a shop weld them on. It'll be cheap and you'll get some natural V8 growl. In terms of performance, the engine won't care what type of materials are being used or how much drone there is at part throttle - it's just a pipe in the end.

Ventmaster · 08-05-2017, 02:00 PM

I've asked David Borla to consider selling part #'s 55940 & 55941. They delete the secondary cats while maintaining the 2.75" stock diameter of our SS exhaust. They are currently not available separately.

I'm very happy with the stock NPP but would like to add a bit more "basso profondo" that this mod reportedly provides.

Perhaps if more C6 members expressed an interest he could be persuaded and it shouldn't be quite as expensive as some other exhaust options- while still providing plenty of room for a profit.

See post #93 for more info on these parts- http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showth...=492077&page=7

Let's work together guys... maybe a group buy?

Skyset · 08-05-2017, 03:57 PM

I'm surprised no one from Borla has chimed in yet

08-03-2017, 05:53 PM	#71
nbryant Drives: 2016 2SS Red Hot Join Date: May 2016 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 627	Bitching about price, really? There is a cost today to do business. Between the R&D, distribution expenses all being offset by sales numbers they try to reach a balance that makes it worth their time. At the end of the day you have two choices, pay and enjoy what it offers, or spend your money elsewhere. __________________ 2SS, A8, NPP, Nav, Sun Roof, Bose Audio, MM Catch Can, RPI chin splitter

08-03-2017, 06:13 PM	#72
BradfordCamaro SABIO Drives: 2016 CAMARO 1SS Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Bradford, ON Posts: 5,012	Some keep saying R&D?? Sizing mufflers to fit is not R&D __________________

08-04-2017, 04:58 AM	#75
BMGR1 Drives: 17' SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Arleta, CA Posts: 49	Buy CA Performance test pipes and mate them to the stock npp exhaust, you'll be glad you did and for $400..... not to mention you gain a few ponies __________________ 2017 SS 1LE Texas Speed 1 7/8" Longtubes \| MSD Atomic Airforce IM \| Stainless Works Catback w/NPP \| Katech Ported TB \| RotoFab CAI \| E85 (475hp / 476tq) 2015 R1 2003 350z

08-04-2017, 05:52 PM	#77
enzia35 Drives: '16 Garnet Red 1SS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: College Station, TX Posts: 3,449	No drone is worth it. __________________ '16 Camaro 1SS '18 Miata GT Gone: '01 Camaro, '14 Camaro, '90 Miata

08-04-2017, 08:50 PM	#78
streetyme Drives: 2016 2SS nav mag ride npp a8 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: St Louis Posts: 202	I have Borla on my mustang and the 370z so I understand about the quality and sound , but for me wanted to try something different so I went a different route .. So far I am happy going with Flowmaster .. __________________ 2016 2SS A8 mag ride npp exhaust nav sunroof Rotofab CAI Borla Atak NPP Corsa X pipe BBS CHR Extreme Contactsport 2.9 Whipple Elite catch can Rotofab Juiced Motorsports installed by STG Motorsports JMS Fuel Maxx tuned by Gregs Tuning Operation Weld Laguna 17x10 18x5 2006 mustang gt Magnuson Livernois stage 2 heads stage 2 blower cams dynatech headers 4.10's Circle D convertor 533/511bs) (9.8lbs)

08-04-2017, 09:41 PM	#79
MAGAUSA Drives: 2017 Hyper Blue 1LE Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Tampa Posts: 579	Yeah, just when I think I want something different, I think about the price and the fact that any aftermarket NPP uses the same crappy OEM valves that will end up rattling.

08-05-2017, 10:36 AM	#81
bybcous Drives: 2016 Hyper Blue 1SS Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: hampton roads Posts: 2,763	That's why my car has all these mods and stock exhaust lol. I'm not paying those prices for a catback. To each there own though. __________________ 1ss/Auto-Hyper Blue acs carbon flash spoiler, bmr springs, gm clear tails. Texas speed cam, 223/227 .635/.635 116 LSA, Kooks Long Tube Headers with green cats, MSD Atomic Air Force Intake, CAI Cold Air Intake, QTP cutouts. 503 hp Best so far 11.5 at 123 with a 1.83 60ft. BMR lower and upper trailing arms and upper control arms,E85 DELIVERED 12/29/15 http://youtube.com/bybcous " no talking only racing on my youtube"

08-05-2017, 12:49 PM	#82
crankaholic Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 771	You guys should check out how much an Akrapovic exhaust setup costs, or something of similar quality... Borla seems to try and produce quality products for a still reasonable price. If you really don't care about drone, fit, weight, craftsmanship, etc... just buy some mufflers and have a shop weld them on. It'll be cheap and you'll get some natural V8 growl. In terms of performance, the engine won't care what type of materials are being used or how much drone there is at part throttle - it's just a pipe in the end. __________________

08-05-2017, 02:00 PM	#83
Ventmaster Drives: 2017 1SS 6spd Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Utah Posts: 3,022	I've asked David Borla to consider selling part #'s 55940 & 55941. They delete the secondary cats while maintaining the 2.75" stock diameter of our SS exhaust. They are currently not available separately. I'm very happy with the stock NPP but would like to add a bit more "basso profondo" that this mod reportedly provides. Perhaps if more C6 members expressed an interest he could be persuaded and it shouldn't be quite as expensive as some other exhaust options- while still providing plenty of room for a profit. See post #93 for more info on these parts- http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showth...=492077&page=7 Let's work together guys... maybe a group buy?

08-05-2017, 03:57 PM	#84
Skyset Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS Coupe Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mississauga, Ontario Posts: 358	I'm surprised no one from Borla has chimed in yet

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