[Sleeks]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Bulletin boards are where myths are born and where manufacturers now conduct very active marketing efforts. Per their official website, the controller only is best suited for DD cars with an occasional DE event. For me that's a waste of $1400+ as I find Touring mode superb for DD.
There is no mention of preset tunes just that it works with OEM settings.
For track they recommend swapping suspension pieces and presumably THEN a user gains access to customization per track, tire, weather, etc. No mention of pre-set tunes here either, but perhaps that's the solution where such would apply as not everyone is a NASCAR crew chief
No price given for THAT solution, except for "please call" which I translate to: a LOT but let us convince you it is worth it while we have you on the phone. And perhaps it is to some and it isn't for others. And indeed there are folks that will just continue to mod a car until they buy a new one and then start over. And that's fine too as we live in a free country and it is legal to sell and market just about anything as long as one does not make false promises. The only thing I could possibly measure is a lap time. Everything else public is absolutely unable to measure and what they feel with their asses is purely subjective.
EDIT: for me OEM calibration in Track mode is just fine as the suspension is largely responsible for a 1LE to be faster at Laguna vs Z/28 (with stickier rubber, more power and trick DSSV shocks). But clearly some will want more and that's fine. But according to the website, just a controller alone doesn't make any such promise. To the contrary: it seems it is focused on DD vs track duty. This is assuming I read all the words on the website properly. If not, I stand to be corrected and educated.

Their site definitely talks about the fact that the controller is preloaded with files/tunes for your car. These guys have been making these controllers for a long time for the 911 community and the porsche guys all have good things to say. Typically, the response is that the car rides better than stock and also offers improvement on track. Its not a surprise that corvette owners are saying the same thing.

I understand your skepticism, but these things do improve both the daily ride and track performance. I'm sure you will get more out of DSSV, but its yet to be seen what that will cost.

This works for me as I am an occasional HPDE attendee and do daily drive my car.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Ryephile, I never thought we were not on the same page, albeit I have a much less scientific way of presenting my thoughts - that's for certain.

Cem, don't forget TIRES and aero played a large role in ZL1 1LE being 3 seconds faster. Throw slicks on any car and it will be seconds (vs fractions of same) faster on a decent length track.
And those Goodyear Cups are near slicks that's for damn sure, 100 tread rating notwithstanding. Just like G3s are not "street" tires notwithstanding their 220 rating. That's based on how they grip vs NT01 and how much rubber I have left after 6 days.

The main "issue" I have with changes to electronics is warranty. As we all know, electronics can and do break from time to time. Could be a loose wire, etc. Personally, I wouldn't like to find myself in between GM and a 3rd party in such a situation, with an undrivable car (potentially).
Secondly, it would be prudent for a vendor to use fewer flashy words (they make stock 1LE sound like it is a complete turd handling wise, which in itself raises flags for me as this car is superbly balanced stock) and instead provide some base line track results, which unfortunately that autox "win" article failed to do.

That is true. However, without a good set of coilovers it's hard to fully benefit from those sticky tires. The aggressive aero is beneficial on tracks that you can see 100mph and above speeds (like Nurburgring). Randy Pobst mentioned this same exact thing on the latest episode of "Head 2 Head" on MTOD when they were testing the ZL1 1LE.

I wouldn't worry about the warranty, Those MRC struts are not that expensive Thanks to GM

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by glamcem

That is true. However, without a good set of coilovers it's hard to fully benefit from those sticky tires. The aggressive aero is beneficial on tracks that you can see 100mph and above speeds (like Nurburgring). Randy Pobst mentioned this same exact thing on the latest episode of "Head 2 Head" on MTOD when they were testing the ZL1 1LE.

I wouldn't worry about the warranty, Those MRC struts are not that expensive Thanks to GM

Cem, agree, to get the absolute most out of slicks one should address a whole set up. But frankly slapping slicks on any car will make it faster by seconds. Been there done it. Provoste has as well if I wanted a full on race car I would not start with a DD car - much better (and cheaper) options to start with vs re-engineering a whole package.
Besides, the 1LE is pretty damn sweet as is. And it carries a full warranty. If I want more pace I wil simply run on slicks. Beyond it a ZL1 beacons. Beyond that: ZL1 1LE. In any case that's my approach given I bought a street vs race car. All the best!

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Sleeks

Their site definitely talks about the fact that the controller is preloaded with files/tunes for your car. These guys have been making these controllers for a long time for the 911 community and the porsche guys all have good things to say. Typically, the response is that the car rides better than stock and also offers improvement on track. Its not a surprise that corvette owners are saying the same thing.

I understand your skepticism, but these things do improve both the daily ride and track performance. I'm sure you will get more out of DSSV, but its yet to be seen what that will cost.

This works for me as I am an occasional HPDE attendee and do daily drive my car.

I know a ton of dedicated track going Vettes and none have it. I can't find any references to preloaded "custom" tunes on the website - maybe my bad? Anyway, not for me as I think Touring is already superb and I've done 7+hr drives in my 1LE. I also think the car is superbly balanced already in Track mode. But, that's just me
If the mod was $300 I'd perhaps try it, but for $1400+ it is way too much given how good this car is out of the box. In any case, I hope you have good luck with it and find it worth the expense. Cheers!

[F1FTY]

Porsche guys may like it so much because the 997-era PASM was either way too soft or way too brutal.... just my guess. Our magride is much more advanced.

[Provoste]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

I think Touring is already superb and I've done 7+hr drives in my 1LE. I also think the car is superbly balanced already in Track mode. But, that's just me
If the mod was $300 I'd perhaps try it, but for $1400+ it is way too much given how good this car is out of the box. In any case, I hope you have good luck with it and find it worth the expense. Cheers!

^^^this. I've never thought any damper tweaks were in order.

[Provoste]

Originally Posted by F1FTY

Porsche guys may like it so much because the 997-era PASM was either way too soft or way too brutal.... just my guess. Our magride is much more advanced.

Agreed. 997's were very much hot and cold in the PASM setup. I've spoken with GT4 guys who weren't impressed.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Cem, agree, to get the absolute most out of slicks one should address a whole set up. But frankly slapping slicks on any car will make it faster by seconds. Been there done it. Provoste has as well if I wanted a full on race car I would not start with a DD car - much better (and cheaper) options to start with vs re-engineering a whole package.
Besides, the 1LE is pretty damn sweet as is. And it carries a full warranty. If I want more pace I wil simply run on slicks. Beyond it a ZL1 beacons. Beyond that: ZL1 1LE. In any case that's my approach given I bought a street vs race car. All the best!

You don't need a full race car to enjoy slicks while saving tons of money on consumables, especially when we can fit another set of wheels in this car for very cheap. Each his own of course

yes OEM setup is already great and very convenient ( no need to swap wheels) if you are happy with them but for someone who attends a lot of events it will become costly very quickly

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by glamcem

You don't need a full race car to enjoy slicks while saving tons of money on consumables, especially when we can fit another set of wheels in this car for very cheap. Each his own of course

yes OEM setup is already great and very convenient ( no need to swap wheels) if you are happy with them but for someone who attends a lot of events it will become costly very quickly

Cem, my point exactly: slap slicks on any car and the laptimes will fall - especially 1LE as its suspension is superb.
As to tracking 1LE to one's heart content: not doing any mods and instead spending $$$ on consumables like tires and brakes is an absolutely the cheapest way to go. Zero doubt here. And full warranty to boot. I don't know about you, but in 6 days thus far I got passed by only 2 cars (instructor group). This car has incredible pace bone stock. One just has to drive it.

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by F1FTY

Porsche guys may like it so much because the 997-era PASM was either way too soft or way too brutal.... just my guess. Our magride is much more advanced.

No doubt as I believe GM invented and patented this technology some 2 decades ago. At one point GM even licensed it to Ferrari. It is open technology now tho and everyone is jumping on a band wagon. That's why Mustangs have it now too.

[Chub2000]

Originally Posted by Provoste

Agreed. 997's were very much hot and cold in the PASM setup. I've spoken with GT4 guys who weren't impressed.

I have a DSC in my gt3 and it made a huge improvement. That said DSC used my camaro to design the system for our cars and i am still waiting on my unit..that is a whole nother story...

[RUQWIKR]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

No doubt as I believe GM invented and patented this technology some 2 decades ago. At one point GM even licensed it to Ferrari. It is open technology now tho and everyone is jumping on a band wagon. That's why Mustangs have it now too.

Now the technology is owned by a Chinese based company, Beijing West Industries (BWI Group), so, they can market it to whoever they want. They bought the Delphi Chassis Division back in 2009.

http://www.bwigroup.com/product/magn...ension-system/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeijingWest_Industries

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

.... absolutely the cheapest way to go. Zero doubt here. And full warranty to boot. I don't know about you, but in 6 days thus far I got passed by only 2 cars (instructor group). This car has incredible pace bone stock. One just has to drive it.

Absolute cheapest is hardly the advice I'd give to anyone doing track days. Warranty is also a massive asterisk, as it appears it's only GM Performance covers a stock car on-track. The rest of the auto world has to deal with it the old fashioned way, with 100% personal responsibility.

As for it's "incredible" pace, let's keep it real here and not over-hype it. If only 2 cars have passed you, your run groups aren't that quick, or it's good drivers driving Spec Miata's. The 1LE is quick for what it is, but there are a LOT of track cars that are quicker. There's no need to blow smoke up our own arses here or put on fanboy blinders, because then we'd be willingly ignorant, and that's not how quick drivers think.

Ok, now that you've admitted you're keeping your car stock, don't hold back those of us that are looking to push the envelope forward to get more pace out of the car. I for one am used to a quicker car on-track, so keeping this one stock doesn't make any sense.

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by Chub2000

I have a DSC in my gt3 and it made a huge improvement. That said DSC used my camaro to design the system for our cars and i am still waiting on my unit..that is a whole nother story...

Did DSC ever make it right with your wiring harness?