[Raven87]

Originally Posted by lmcgrew79

Here is my laps from VIR in my ACR will have the zl1 there this fall, these are 1:57 laps in the acr if that tells you anything about my driving..lol the comments are pretty funny on the zl1 and ford gt videos.

Your driving and the ACR are incredible. It looked like several times you hit 1.4 and even bumped 1.5 a few times on the G-Meter?

Just, wow. Very, very impressive.

[mdmoore23]

Why all this defense of the Ford GT? From what I've seen, there really haven't been many performance specs or tests released on it. We know hp is less, torque is much less, but weight is less. Aero is more advanced, but other than that, in the real world it probably isn't much faster than the ZL1. It's already been shown that the ZL1 is faster than many cars costing much more. Why should it have to be discredited when we see this one hanging wirh a GT on track? I go off the run what ya brung mantra. If the driver isn't as good, that's his fault. $500,000 doesn't mean you automatically obliterate everything? That's obvious here.

[CarFlow1]

Originally Posted by mdmoore23

Why all this defense of the Ford GT? From what I've seen, there really haven't been many performance specs or tests released on it. We know hp is less, torque is much less, but weight is less. Aero is more advanced, but other than that, in the real world it probably isn't much faster than the ZL1. It's already been shown that the ZL1 is faster than many cars costing much more. Why should it have to be discredited when we see this one hanging wirh a GT on track? I go off the run what ya brung mantra. If the driver isn't as good, that's his fault. $500,000 doesn't mean you automatically obliterate everything? That's obvious here.

Very good point. I'm happy that our cars are even eligible to compete with vehicles that are twice as expensive. Super-cars at that.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by mdmoore23

Why all this defense of the Ford GT? From what I've seen, there really haven't been many performance specs or tests released on it. We know hp is less, torque is much less, but weight is less. Aero is more advanced, but other than that, in the real world it probably isn't much faster than the ZL1. It's already been shown that the ZL1 is faster than many cars costing much more. Why should it have to be discredited when we see this one hanging wirh a GT on track? I go off the run what ya brung mantra. If the driver isn't as good, that's his fault. $500,000 doesn't mean you automatically obliterate everything? That's obvious here.

The ZL1 is 900lbs heavier than the the GT and has the same horsepower.

I'm sorry, these two cars are not "close"

Go watch @ 3.14 when the GT pulls out of the turn onto the straight and watch how fast it pulls buss-lengths on the ZL1.

This isn't discrediting to the ZL1, these are two different leagues of vehicles. With the power to weight ratio of the GT, it should be able to run low 10 1/4 miles at north of 140mph....and will easily out corner the ZL1.

[lmcgrew79]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

The ZL1 is 900lbs heavier than the the GT and has the same horsepower.

I'm sorry, these two cars are not "close"

Go watch @ 3.14 when the GT pulls out of the turn onto the straight and watch how fast it pulls buss-lengths on the ZL1.

This isn't discrediting to the ZL1, these are two different leagues of vehicles. With the power to weight ratio of the GT, it should be able to run low 10 1/4 miles at north of 140mph....and will easily out corner the ZL1.

Gt is about 600-700 lbs lighter, ford specified its dry weight of 3000ish the actually weight with fluids is 3250. I believe it hit 150 on the back and i hit 147 fyi.

[mdmoore23]

Originally Posted by lmcgrew79

Gt is about 600-700 lbs lighter, ford specified its dry weight of 3000ish the actually weight with fluids is 3250. I believe it hit 150 on the back and i hit 147 fyi.

Have you seen any tests published on the new GT?

[lmcgrew79]

http://performance.ford.com/content/...Tech_Specs.pdf

[Infern0]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

The ZL1 is 900lbs heavier than the the GT and has the same horsepower.

I'm sorry, these two cars are not "close"

[b]Go watch @ 3.14 when the GT pulls out of the turn onto the straight and watch how fast it pulls buss-lengths on the ZL1.[\b]

This isn't discrediting to the ZL1, these are two different leagues of vehicles. With the power to weight ratio of the GT, it should be able to run low 10 1/4 miles at north of 140mph....and will easily out corner the ZL1.

The point here is they weren't racing...this was a public track event.

ZL1 was keeping a respectful distance the entire time. If the GT decided after a given turn that he was going to floor it for the first time, if the ZL1 wasn't expecting that of course it's going to pull a massive distance...

Again, this was a non-sanctioned track event, not a race. If the GT driver started fish-tailing because of his inability would you say the ZL1 has better handling too? This is all apples to oranges until there is an intentional head to head exhibition.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by Infern0

The point here is they weren't racing...this was a public track event.

ZL1 was keeping a respectful distance the entire time. If the GT decided after a given turn that he was going to floor it for the first time, if the ZL1 wasn't expecting that of course it's going to pull a massive distance...

Again, this was a non-sanctioned track event, not a race. If the GT driver started fish-tailing because of his inability would you say the ZL1 has better handling too? This is all apples to oranges until there is an intentional head to head exhibition.

Go back and watch the video. At 3.14 the ZL1 is at WOT and is getting pulled HARD. This wasn't because the ZL1 wasn't expecting it, it was because the GT is f'ng fast.

Yes, this was a public track event...and not much can be concluded in regards to total performance. Let's not pretend however that the ZL1 was "keeping up" based off of mechanical abilities.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Road and Track (August 2017) got 0-60 in 3.2 seconds and 0-1/4 mile in 11.1 at 130 MPH.

They felt like that was slow because 1.) launch control is not aggressive and 2.) they were testing at 4320' elevation.

They said the car was "phenomenally quick, likely quicker than our numbers indicate".

[Mustang Fanboy]

Here is the other side of the story. It appear it's the GT drivers first outing with it at 900 miles on the odometer.

http://www.fordgtforum.com/forums/sh...847-Track-Time


https://youtu.be/OkJwJfZ3YnI

Notice it reaches 148mph on the straight!

It doesn't even look like he's trying that hard either.

[jessrayo]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Go back and watch the video. At 3.14 the ZL1 is at WOT and is getting pulled HARD. This wasn't because the ZL1 wasn't expecting it, it was because the GT is f'ng fast.

Yes, this was a public track event...and not much can be concluded in regards to total performance. Let's not pretend however that the ZL1 was "keeping up" based off of mechanical abilities.

Okay, now watch the exact same section of track that starts at 4:55 one lap later when the ZL1 is trying to push him. There is no traffic leading up to this section so both cars are free to run..... at 3:14 the GT clearly got a much better drive off the corner. Just the opposite happens At 4:55 which lead to the GT driver waving him by (as is proper courtesy). What kind of blows my mind is that is NOT a 1LE.... I want a ZL1 1LE bad!!!

[762CAT]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Here is the other side of the story. It appear it's the GT drivers first outing with it at 900 miles on the odometer.

http://www.fordgtforum.com/forums/sh...847-Track-Time


https://youtu.be/OkJwJfZ3YnI

Notice it reaches 148mph on the straight!

It doesn't even look like he's trying that hard either.

That was fun to watch….and he actually hits 150mph. Can't believe you of all people are selling a Ford short…Hell you didn't even mention he had a passenger. Not sure why folks argue about the cars so much. It's cut and dry from a pure factual performance stand point the 500k car out performs the 65K car. That being said no matter the car and no matter the cost if you can't drive it the 500k and the physical capability of the car amounts to a steaming heap of it doesn't matter. Can you claim you have the faster car…sure can. Is that legit…sure is. Are you still gonna get passed on the track…sure are. All depends on what you want, what's important to you and how much you want to spend.

I respect both cars and both drivers for being objective and calling it what it is with no ego or emotion. Track days are for fun….fast cars are fun. This goes back to what I said in the earlier post. The world is filled with talkers and very few doers. The actual doers tend to be more even keeled because they know the talkers are just that….talkers which amounts to guess what….the same steaming heap of nothing. Respect to both drivers and cars. Both are great machines even if one is a Ford.

Hey now Ford has one car that is faster than the ZL1! We all know the GT350R isn't…. thanks to our friend quoted above I think there is about a 1000 post thread that beats that dead horse (pun intended). Lol.

[762CAT]

Side note….just looked at those Ford GT specs. Really interesting they went with Pilot Sport Cup 2s and even more interesting they put only 245 width on the front with the big 325's out back.