[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by RagingHawk

No way dude, will not beat 392 in 1/4 mile. They do low 12's.

You do realize that with a 0-60 time in the 3.9 range, this new GT is going to run low 12's don't you?

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Off topic, Dodge is going to be in even worse shape now. Now the Mustang won't just have handling on them, it's likely going to have advantage over the 392s in the 1/4 while costing a tad more than a 5.7L. Doubtful they have any budget for power bumps with the 392s after all the money spent on PR/development of the Demon.

Not sure about all this. It seems the Challenger is selling very well, it beat out the Camaro and Mustang last month in sales. You also really need to consider the Charger sales into Dodge performance as both are similar in price and performance and compete for the same buyer. I can see another power bump coming soon for the 392 maybe 505 if the new Gen isn't released soon.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by RagingHawk

No way dude, will not beat 392 in 1/4 mile. They do low 12's.

And which car do you know of that runs to 60 in under 3 but doesn't run a low 12? BTW the 392 A8s are mid 12 cars in comparison reviews, not low 12s. Let's not start comparing hero times with a manufacturer claim time.

Originally Posted by newmoon

Not sure about all this. It seems the Challenger is selling very well, it beat out the Camaro and Mustang last month in sales. You also really need to consider the Charger sales into Dodge performance as both are similar in price and performance and compete for the same buyer. I can see another power bump coming soon for the 392 maybe 505 if the new Gen isn't released soon.

And the only reason for that is running on average 36% rental sales compared to single digit rental sales for Camaro. Charger is also down in monthly sales from this year compared to the prior 2. More and more police are not buying Chargers as replacements now. Also you would have thought Dodge sales would be up for both significantly due to FF8 and Demon releases. Lots of money in PR and advertising for both and guess what, both saw actual decreases in sales. Next gen is delayed and there's no talk of a new HEMI engine. They are running out of time. They already have been out of money.

As for power bump, it's possible with those guys but the impression I've got is the 392 is pretty much tapped in terms of OEM potential. The intake is already good, the exhaust too. There's no DI and higher RPM boost like Ford could use. Maybe they will throw together the Air Grabber and widebody option (with stickier tires) as a counter. They are without a doubt the best at making use of the parts bin.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

And which car do you know of that runs to 60 in under 3 but doesn't run a low 12? BTW the 392 A8s are mid 12 cars in comparison reviews, not low 12s. Let's not start comparing hero times with a manufacturer claim time.



And the only reason for that is running on average 36% rental sales compared to single digit rental sales for Camaro. Charger is also down in monthly sales from this year compared to the prior 2. More and more police are not buying Chargers as replacements now. Also you would have thought Dodge sales would be up for both significantly due to FF8 and Demon releases. Lots of money in PR and advertising for both and guess what, both saw actual decreases in sales. Next gen is delayed and there's no talk of a new HEMI engine. They are running out of time. They already have been out of money.

As for power bump, it's possible with those guys but the impression I've got is the 392 is pretty much tapped in terms of OEM potential. The intake is already good, the exhaust too. There's no DI and higher RPM boost like Ford could use. Maybe they will throw together the Air Grabber and widebody option (with stickier tires) as a counter. They are without a doubt the best at making use of the parts bin.

So your statement above basically gives no credit to Dodge actually selling vehicles to the public and only rental sales account for their number. I guess Chevy has no rental sales correct or maybe the Camaros which are in the rental fleet nobody wants to rent them? The more interesting conversation should be why are the Camaro sales so poor when it is this world class performer.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by newmoon

So your statement above basically gives no credit to Dodge actually selling vehicles to the public and only rental sales account for their number. I guess Chevy has no rental sales correct or maybe the Camaros which are in the rental fleet nobody wants to rent them? The more interesting conversation should be why are the Camaro sales so poor when it is this world class performer.

No it is like comparing sales of the Mustang worldwide to sales of the Camaro in the US alone. It's still a sale, but when GM chooses not to pursue rental sales for the Camaro, it's not exactly apples to apples is it? That's why the sales threads never add in the Mustang worldwide sales since it's not showing the market everyone is concerned about...the domestic one.

And considering the Mustang is only a few percentage points below the Challenger in rental sales, are the Camaro sales really poor or are they just purposely not selling as many as they could.

One thing is for sure, performance doesn't sell. It was true last gen, it's still true now.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Prices are up.

It looks like MSRP is now up to $35095 for the base GT.

10 Speed auto is a $1595 option.

Performance pack is a $3995 option with magneride being $1695 on top of that.

$40785 for a performance pack GT with magneride doesn’t sound like too bad of a deal.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Don't forget to add destination to that since Ford doesn't like to show that price on main page..

Basically GT starts at 36k.. 2k less than a better optioned/bettwr parts used Camaro..

There's really no price advantage for Mustang once you start adding options.. I swear my buddy paid 2.5k or less for PP on the 2015.. Now it's 4k. I see "unique chassis tuning" under it now so maybe they do offer something more with PP now.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Prices are up.

It looks like MSRP is now up to $35095 for the base GT.

10 Speed auto is a $1595 option.

Performance pack is a $3995 option with magneride being 1695 on top of that.

40785 for a performance pack GT with magneride doesn’t sound like too bad of a deal.

That puts it right in line with a 1SS with MRC.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Don't forget to add destination to that since Ford doesn't like to show that price on main page..

Basically GT starts at 36k.. 2k less than a better optioned/bettwr parts used Camaro..

There's really no price advantage for Mustang once you start adding options.. I swear my buddy paid 2.5k or less for PP on the 2015.. Now it's 4k. I see "unique chassis tuning" under it now so maybe they do offer something more with PP now.

Parts cost money. Better suspension, better tires.

And yes, my performance pack was $2500.

Originally Posted by SuperSound

That puts it right in line with a 1SS with MRC.

Indeed. I knew a significant price bump was coming.

[drew peacock]

i would believe nothing untill i drive one

so this newer model has sorted out the floaty boat feel going above 100mph.

no good having all that power and it floats about on the road at high speed

[RagingHawk]

Don't know why everyone jumps up and down over MRC, you don't need that. It's not going to make it a significantly better performing car if the suspension doesn't get parts from the GT350. MRC effect on handling is exaggerated, it's more related for comfort purposes.

Oh wait, apparently MRC nor dual mode exhaust are included in the PP.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Gt Premium
401A
Dual mode exhaust
MRC
Performance Package

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by RagingHawk

Don't know why everyone jumps and down over MRC, you don't need that. It's not going to make it a significantly better performing car if the suspension doesn't get parts from the GT350. MRC effect on handling is exaggerated, it's more related for comfort purposes.

Oh wait, apparently MRC nor dual mode exhaust are included in the PP.

The chassis and suspension on the base and PP models were upgraded.

[drew peacock]

ugly ugly car

just showed my 13 year old son the 2018 mustang and the gen6 camaro..no contest dad..the camaro is way better looking..