[MotownBoy]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compa...3pA?li=BBnb7Kz

Thankfully, the Camaros are not listed on the ax list

[MotownBoy]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos...nb7Kz#image=10

Another article with Camaro...the 1LE is on the top 10 list of sports cars

[RenegadeXR]

For Chevy, the Sonic is almost definitely going to go. The Impala has a high chance as well. Here are the reasons below. It isn't rocket science if you keep track of these cars and how it ties into the current market:

Sonic: (Totally dead)
I can see the Chevy Sonic being the first to go. It isn't really a longstanding legacy nameplate. It's just an American market version of the Aveo brought over in 2011, and hasn't seen anything more than a minor facelift in that time. Compact cars have generally had lukewarm response in the U.S. at best, and the surge of crossover sales in the last 5 years will be enough to kill it here.

Impala: (Probably dead)
Second in line to get the ax will be the Impala. While the 10th generation launched in MY2014 to critical acclaim over a much improved design, it was at a bad time for the sedan market, and sales are slumping as well due to crossovers. It's about due for a mid cycle refresh at this point, but it may not be worth it.

The MY2016 Chevy Malibu got a similar huge update that makes it a much nicer car and might have cannibalized some sales from the Impala. Also, the Malibu got a brand new hybrid system derived from the Volt which gives it better market sustainability. By comparison, the Impala had an "Eco" variant that was discontinued just one year into its life by MY2015 over mixed reviews stemming from a very poor implementation of its older hybrid system.

GM has readily killed the Impala in the past as the market dictates, and I think they will do it again. As before, it can come back though.


And finally
Why GM is hurting so badly right now:

Simply put, customers want crossovers and GM does not have any strong offerings. It only has the Trax and Equinox, neither of which are particularly well received. The Trax has been panned for its very plain design, poor build quality, and anemic performance (even for its respective segment.) It's often excluded from top ten lists, and when it does appear in them, comes almost dead last compared to strong mainstays like the Kia Soul. The Equinox is just very slightly larger than the Trax, and although it generally receives slightly better reviews, the larger size might take it out of consideration for those seeking smaller crossovers like the Soul.

GM is not playing the market very intelligently. One need only look at its competitor, Ford, for how to best take advantage of the current climate. Rather than kill off their compact, the Ford Fiesta, they planned ahead well for the newly-launched generation by flexibly adjusting their chassis designs to offer the car in multiple variants, including one that has many attributes of a crossover. It has an increased ride height and has been stretched out from a 2-door to a 4-door.

Here is the Ford Fiesta "Active." Ford is playing it smart. Stuff like this will keep car sales up across their lineup, and they are finally pushing hard to dramatically improve interiors across all of their vehicles as GM had begun doing a few model years ago.




Your move, GM.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

We started looking for a new vehicle for my wife about a week ago. I showed her options from each manufacturer. We've narrowed it down between a new Charger or a slightly used Durango. GM doesn't have attractive looking family vehicles IMHO. The Caddy's are the best looking they offer (and at least they have some personality), the rest look really plain and boring. I realize that most people just don't care about cars and want something to get from point A to point B and that's why brands like Honda flourish, but damn.

I mean, these just look like everything else on the road. There is zero appeal or personality:




The Camaro and Vette are hot though.

u don't like the SS?

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

I don't think it looks good. I'd take a Scat Pack Charger over an SS in a heartbeat. But when looking at toys, I'd take a Camaro SS over a Scat Pack Challenger.

yeah, that charger scat is bad ass...the SS doesn't really compare...i agree.

[LuvMI]

Love the look of the SS... not so much of the chargers.

[WhyUMad1LE]

The SS has too much chrome for a performance car. With black accents it's not bad.

[WhyUMad1LE]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

We started looking for a new vehicle for my wife about a week ago. I showed her options from each manufacturer. We've narrowed it down between a new Charger or a slightly used Durango. GM doesn't have attractive looking family vehicles IMHO. The Caddy's are the best looking they offer (and at least they have some personality), the rest look really plain and boring. I realize that most people just don't care about cars and want something to get from point A to point B and that's why brands like Honda flourish, but damn.

I mean, these just look like everything else on the road. There is zero appeal or personality:

The main competitors for these cars are Camry, Altima, Fusion, Accord. It's for people who don't want to stand out.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Charger looks good in higher trims, but the vehicle is a rattling piece of shit with shoddy suspension. Have fun replacing the control arms over and over again.

Personally, I like both the Malibu and Impala. I'd buy either over run of the mill 6 cylinder Charger.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Chevy SS is dynamically a better vehicle than the Charger. Drive both back to back. The SS feels smaller when being driven while actually feeling like a full size car space wise. LX platform cars packaging sucks. They also feel huge.

Scat Pack definitely looks more aggressive than an SS though, so if that's most important, that's great. I could never get over spending 40k on something that'll rattle so damn much in no time.

[BluinSC]

Having owned a new Impala I will easily buy another one that's car I've ever owned. There was plenty of space the V6 was excellent and the leather felt very good. I still had no issues at 78,000 miles.

[Artos]

If you end up with a 2014 5.7 Durango, I have some goodies that really helped open her up. Diablo Tune, Volant CAI, Larger throttle body & 180 thermostat. Had the bola, but it stayed on the car...I really enjoyed it.

My step Dad was going to get the diablo tune for his 15, but they changed the computer settings & that version / tune is a lot more expensive.

Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

We started looking for a new vehicle for my wife about a week ago. I showed her options from each manufacturer. We've narrowed it down between a new Charger or a slightly used Durango. GM doesn't have attractive looking family vehicles IMHO. The Caddy's are the best looking they offer (and at least they have some personality), the rest look really plain and boring. I realize that most people just don't care about cars and want something to get from point A to point B and that's why brands like Honda flourish, but damn.

I mean, these just look like everything else on the road. There is zero appeal or personality:







The Camaro and Vette are hot though.

[RenegadeXR]

Originally Posted by WhyUMad1LE

The main competitors for these cars are Camry, Altima, Fusion, Accord. It's for people who don't want to stand out.

Have you see the new 2018 Accord? It's a totally different car and way nicer.

Basically every vehicle that isn't a crossover right now needs to step up their game big time. Ironically, it's the crossover people who don't stand out now, and as such, sedans are about to get way more competitive in terms of design and creature comforts in a fight to hold their ground.

I'd drive daily this in a heartbeat, no shame in admitting it.

[ChefBorOzzy]

The Accord interior is great looking. I don't know about the exterior, but that may not matter. Pretty much everyone I've talked to hates the exterior of the 2018,but maybe people will change their mind when they see it in person.