[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

I don't have a dog in this fight I've owned more BMW, Jag, Land Rovers than GM cars over the years. My interest is in the industry as a whole vs other industries from an investment stand point. AND I like to argue with shaffe, wherever he is lol

It's not fight, I thoroughly enjoy debates...when I have time.

My stocks are fairly diversified, so I really don't have a dog in the fight either. The fact that I own a GT doesn't mean I root for the advancement or failure of either brand. I don't owe either company anything.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Alex. What is the car with a lot of retail customers that needs help in the areas of power, handling and brake performance?

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Because Mustangs NEED the aftermarket to be competitive. .

Witty, but the s197 needed no help vs the zeta Camaro and probably had an even bigger aftermarket presence.

I've spent more than enough time at the track to know that mustang owners spend less time on car forums and more time Modding and racing... sometimes into crowds.

[show7ime]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Seriously. Ford should be slapped for the Mustangs they been putting out recently. The came out hard in 11 with the Coyote. And then in 13 they came out even harder with the Shelby. And after that they took a nap. The GT is a dog. The GT350 can barely hang with the 1SS 1LE if it can even hang at all. The GT350R can't beat anything it was built to beat. The V6 and EB are jokes. It's like they aren't even trying. And even still, it is almost July and nobody knows what output the 18 GT will have. The GT500 is MIA and nobody knows if it will even make it out for the S550 body style. It's like the Mustang went Jenner on everyone. I wouldn't even bother with one of them until they get some testosterone back in their system. They're the joke of the performance world right now, lol!!

I strongly disagree with some of your sentiments. If I had a choice between a GT350R or a ZL1? I would pick the 350R. It is an amazing car. My 2016 Mustang was an Ecoboost. I test drove both the GT and the Ecoboost. For city driving the Ecoboost felt more nimble and quick from stop light to stop light. So I went with that. I actually enjoyed the car after coming from two 5th Gen Camaros. Hell, even when I would do 80+ on the highway, my MPG was amazing... averaging around 34 MPG.

I wanted to try a Ford since this Mustang body style was the first one that I was genuinely intrigued with. I enjoyed it for two years and decided to get another SS since the 2018 Mustang changes weren't enough for me.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by show7ime

I strongly disagree with some of your sentiments. If I had a choice between a GT350R or a ZL1? I would pick the 350R. It is an amazing car. My 2016 Mustang was an Ecoboost. I test drove both the GT and the Ecoboost. For city driving the Ecoboost felt more nimble and quick from stop light to stop light. So I went with that. I actually enjoyed the car after coming from two 5th Gen Camaros. Hell, even when I would do 80+ on the highway, my MPG was amazing... averaging around 34 MPG.

I wanted to try a Ford since this Mustang body style was the first one that I was genuinely intrigued with. I enjoyed it for two years and decided to get another SS since the 2018 Mustang changes weren't enough for me.

LOL, I chose the ZL1 over the GT350R...and I chose a Hellcat over the Shelby as well. I say what I say about the Shelby because I personally think it is lame. EVen when I tried to justify buying one, that car just didn't offer enough to make it worth the money. Not even close man. Not trying to be a jerk. But that is just how I feel. It corners and that is it.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

LOL, I chose the ZL1 over the GT350R...and I chose a Hellcat over the Shelby as well. I say what I say about the Shelby because I personally think it is lame. EVen when I tried to justify buying one, that car just didn't offer enough to make it worth the money. Not even close man. Not trying to be a jerk. But that is just how I feel. It corners and that is it.

As badass as the GT350 is, the above is 100% true! I wanted one so bad when I first saw them, the price didn't bother me in the beginning because of what is was 'supposed' to be. Sadly, its just too big a turd when it comes to quality and reliability. SO many issues, I have lost count. It really is too bad. I would buy one in a heartbeat if it was better quality or cheaper. I just cannot justify the cost for that car in its current form.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

As badass as the GT350 is, the above is 100% true! I wanted one so bad when I first saw them, the price didn't bother me in the beginning because of what is was 'supposed' to be. Sadly, its just too big a turd when it comes to quality and reliability. SO many issues, I have lost count. It really is too bad. I would buy one in a heartbeat if it was better quality or cheaper. I just cannot justify the cost for that car in its current form.

20k plus dealer markup is why I never bought one. Glad I didn't. My camaro can be tracked all day and has never overheated.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Witty, but the s197 needed no help vs the zeta Camaro and probably had an even bigger aftermarket presence.

I've spent more than enough time at the track to know that mustang owners spend less time on car forums and more time Modding and racing... sometimes into crowds.

I see just as many modded Camaros and Vettes and SRTs at the track as I do Mustangs. Yes the Mustang has a larger aftermarket but Ford also has Shelby and Roush providing a lot of those mods and offer limited warranties with their power enhancers. My experience with Ford was that they are more mod friendly as well. Never was threatened with a warranty void for a catch can.... At any rate, all the performance mods can be had by all 3. Mustangs have a HUGE market in appearance mods. Almost every Mustang I see has (mine included) has some kind of appearance mod on it be it hoods, stripes, splitters, spoliers, etc. My Camaro however appears to be stock... (it isnt). My point is that it is a bit misleading to say the Mustang after market is "better" . All the performance mods can be easily found for all three companies. You just don't have 4500 hoods to choose from on Camaros like you do Mustangs

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Witty, but the s197 needed no help vs the zeta Camaro and probably had an even bigger aftermarket presence.

I've spent more than enough time at the track to know that mustang owners spend less time on car forums and more time Modding and racing... sometimes into crowds.

Comparing the s197 to the zeta is not exactly and accomplishment considering the age of the zeta. And even the s197 needed help turning and braking.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Comparing the s197 to the zeta is not exactly and accomplishment considering the age of the zeta. And even the s197 needed help turning and braking.

You do know s197 is a year older than zeta right?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

You do know s197 is a year older than zeta right?

Are you done racing, modding and running into crowds for today?

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Are you done racing, modding and running into crowds for today?

on vacation with the family so I have some downtime.

[BlaqWhole]

I was talking to a friend about Mustangs and Camaros. The thing is, the aftermarket is big for the Stang. But the Stang needs it. I told him I would probably never buy another Mustang again simply because they need just about everything modded. Axles, torque converters, shifters, exhaust work, etc. And then stuff breaks. I've seen people snap aftermarket axles racing, as well as other stuff. Heck I've seen people snap the stock axles on bone stock Mustangs, lol. It's like Ford makes the Mustang as generic as possible and then you have to build it from there and void your warranty in the process. The aftermarket makes a ton of money off of Mustangs. And you have to do all that just to keep up with stock Camaros and Challengers. it really is a shame.

[Tr6]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I was talking to a friend about Mustangs and Camaros. The thing is, the aftermarket is big for the Stang. But the Stang needs it. I told him I would probably never buy another Mustang again simply because they need just about everything modded. Axles, torque converters, shifters, exhaust work, etc. And then stuff breaks. I've seen people snap aftermarket axles racing, as well as other stuff. Heck I've seen people snap the stock axles on bone stock Mustangs, lol. It's like Ford makes the Mustang as generic as possible and then you have to build it from there and void your warranty in the process. The aftermarket makes a ton of money off of Mustangs. And you have to do all that just to keep up with stock Camaros and Challengers. it really is a shame.

So true! LOL! Even a stock gt350 is LAUGHABLE to an SS owner. They paid 60k (if they even paid MSRP which is super rare...) for it and can't even walk an SS that MSRP's 20k less... Let alone the Mustang GT. Hell it seems that the Ford GT is even laughable to a ZL1

2015 Stage 2 roush with headers, catback, intake and tune couldn't pull away from me when I were BONE STOCK. We tested and compared quite a few times in Mexico.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I was talking to a friend about Mustangs and Camaros. The thing is, the aftermarket is big for the Stang. But the Stang needs it. I told him I would probably never buy another Mustang again simply because they need just about everything modded. Axles, torque converters, shifters, exhaust work, etc. And then stuff breaks. I've seen people snap aftermarket axles racing, as well as other stuff. Heck I've seen people snap the stock axles on bone stock Mustangs, lol. It's like Ford makes the Mustang as generic as possible and then you have to build it from there and void your warranty in the process. The aftermarket makes a ton of money off of Mustangs. And you have to do all that just to keep up with stock Camaros and Challengers. it really is a shame.

So false... my car runs single digit 1/4 miles on the stock longblock, trans and rear axles. But it is true power will break things.

Hellcats would spit the driveshaft out if you put sticky tires on it.

In my experience Mustang owners just like changing parts on the car... needed or not that's why the aftermarket is so huge