[Super Speeder]

Alternate parts listed in a factory parts manual are not authorized unless their use is specifically referenced in the factory service manual or in a ser- vice bulletin for the specific model.

I copied this paragraph out of the SCCA street class rules. Can someone clarify for me what this means in regard to the 6-piston Brembos on a 2ss? I am going to assume the 6pots are included in the Chevy service manual. So does this mean they would be legal to run in FS?

I run against a 2016 Mustang GT with 6-pot Brembos in FS in my region and I can't believe they are standard equipment on that car either.

[Eric SS]

EDIT: Don't listen to me, see the below responses

You can run the stock 6 pots in FS as it was a factory available option on the non-1LE SS.

I don't believe 6 pots were ever an option on the Mustang GT so he may be mis-classed

[FNxR3DNECK]

Originally Posted by Eric SS

You can run the stock 6 pots in FS as it was a factory available option on the non-1LE SS.

I don't believe 6 pots were ever an option on the Mustang GT so he may be mis-classed

The GT Performance Packs have 6-pistons up front, but I'm pretty sure the stock SS with the 4-pistons still out brake the GT PP.

But yes the 6-pistons should be good since they are a factory option but you should double check in the manual to make sure they are listed in there.

[apexit53]

Originally Posted by Eric SS

You can run the stock 6 pots in FS as it was a factory available option on the non-1LE SS.

I don't believe 6 pots were ever an option on the Mustang GT so he may be mis-classed

correct!

What they mean by factory service parts are things like recalls, crashbolts(we dont have that option) just parts that the factory comes out with to improve something because of a fault of some sort.

You could order your 2SS or 1SS with the 6pot calipers from the factory and they were installed there. That also means we can add them later if we didn't order it that way. He may think he ordered them with them and that might be true but if its installed by the dealer thats not legal. I would check into it though from ford before telling him.

[JeromeS13]

Originally Posted by apexit53

correct!

What they mean by factory service parts are things like recalls, crashbolts(we dont have that option) just parts that the factory comes out with to improve something because of a fault of some sort.

You could order your 2SS or 1SS with the 6pot calipers from the factory and they were installed there. That also means we can add them later if we didn't order it that way. He may think he ordered them with them and that might be true but if its installed by the dealer thats not legal. I would check into it though from ford before telling him.

Aren't the 6 piston Brembos a DEALER installed option?

[Eric SS]

Originally Posted by JeromeS13

Aren't the 6 piston Brembos a DEALER installed option?

No. They are installed by the dealer but are not necessarily a dealer installed option. They are an LPO GM option. Generally when you talk about something that was "dealer installed" it's something that can't be ordered from the factory. Dealers can install factory options however.

Does that make sense? It's semantics and can be confusing but I think you get it.

[JeromeS13]

Originally Posted by Eric SS

No. They are installed by the dealer but are not necessarily a dealer installed option. They are an LPO GM option. Generally when you talk about something that was "dealer installed" it's something that can't be ordered from the factory. Dealers can install factory options however.

Does that make sense? It's semantics and can be confusing but I think you get it.

It does, but I'm not too familiar with SCCA and how they classify those things.

[Egon]

Sorry to say guys the 6 piston Brembo upgrade on a non 1LE 1SS or 2SS is not (currently) legal for SCCA Street classes. Here is the SCCA definition of a "Standard Part".

standard part An item of standard or optional equipment that could have been ordered with the car, installed on the factory production line, and delivered through a dealer in the United States. Port-installed options provided by the manufacturer are considered to be the same as those installed on the factory production line. Dealer-installed options or deletions (except as required by factory directives), no matter how common or what their origin, are not included in this definition. This definition does not allow the updating or backdating of parts. Manufacturer options which are dealer installed must be specifically listed in Appendix A in order to be eligible

However there has been a proposal in the SCCA January Fastrack newsletter to change this to include dealer installed options and the 2016-2017 Camaro is specifically referenced for the brake cooling parts that come with the car. They also mentioned some of the other additional items you can order with a Camaro through the ordering process that are installed by the dealer upon delivery.

https://dk1xgl0d43mu1.cloudfront.net...pdf?1483478855 (bottom of page 27 and page 28)

My feeling is that this will eventually be changed to include these items, but that they may also come with a bump to a different class if their performance advantage is significant enough. I don't think that an upgrade from a 4 piston brake to a 6 piston brake would necessitate a bump to a different class but it's possible.

Bottom line is that RIGHT NOW the 6 piston Brembo package is NOT LEGAL for SCCA F-Street. If you did order this from the factory on a non 1LE 1SS or 2SS and it is on the car now you will be bumped to either STP, or CAM class. However keep in mind that local chapters may be less than strict about this, but if you expect to go to any of the SCCA Championship Tours, Pro Solo's, or Nationals they will not be allowed, you will be protested. The likelihood of this becoming an issue at the local level will vary and will be directly proportional to your propensity to win against the other drivers in your base street class.

TLDR: 6 Piston Brembo's are not currently legal on any 1SS or 2SS 6th gen in F-Street. There are proposed rule changes to possibly allow them in the future, but not yet. For local competition no one may care unless you are beating them too often.

[Eric SS]

Originally Posted by Egon

Sorry to say guys the 6 piston Brembo upgrade on a non 1LE 1SS or 2SS is not (currently) legal for SCCA Street classes. Here is the SCCA definition of a "Standard Part".

standard part An item of standard or optional equipment that could have been ordered with the car, installed on the factory production line, and delivered through a dealer in the United States. Port-installed options provided by the manufacturer are considered to be the same as those installed on the factory production line. Dealer-installed options or deletions (except as required by factory directives), no matter how common or what their origin, are not included in this definition. This definition does not allow the updating or backdating of parts. Manufacturer options which are dealer installed must be specifically listed in Appendix A in order to be eligible

However there has been a proposal in the SCCA January Fastrack newsletter to change this to include dealer installed options and the 2016-2017 Camaro is specifically referenced for the brake cooling parts that come with the car. They also mentioned some of the other additional items you can order with a Camaro through the ordering process that are installed by the dealer upon delivery.

https://dk1xgl0d43mu1.cloudfront.net...pdf?1483478855 (bottom of page 27 and page 28)

My feeling is that this will eventually be changed to include these items, but that they may also come with a bump to a different class if their performance advantage is significant enough. I don't think that an upgrade from a 4 piston brake to a 6 piston brake would necessitate a bump to a different class but it's possible.

Bottom line is that RIGHT NOW the 6 piston Brembo package is NOT LEGAL for SCCA F-Street. If you did order this from the factory on a non 1LE 1SS or 2SS and it is on the car now you will be bumped to either STP, or CAM class. However keep in mind that local chapters may be less than strict about this, but if you expect to go to any of the SCCA Championship Tours, Pro Solo's, or Nationals they will not be allowed, you will be protested. The likelihood of this becoming an issue at the local level will vary and will be directly proportional to your propensity to win against the other drivers in your base street class.

TLDR: 6 Piston Brembo's are not currently legal on any 1SS or 2SS 6th gen in F-Street. There are proposed rule changes to possibly allow them in the future, but not yet. For local competition no one may care unless you are beating them too often.

Very interested and I guess I stand corrected. That doesn't make any sense to me that an LPO item on the specific trim would be deemed illegal.

That said, like Egon said, I doubt there are many local level clubs that would bust you for that unless you started winning everything. Especially if you said that they are factory brakes.

[Egon]

One additional thought, the likelihood of the rule change proposal happening is going to depend on how much extra work will be needed to reclass cars with these parts changes. A 6 piston Brembo upgrade isn't likely to be a significant enough performance advantage to reclass the car, but remember Ford is offering some pretty serious performance upgrades for the Mustangs through Ford Performance. A simple change to their ordering process would potentially allow them for use in SCCA Street classes under these proposed rule changes. Also I don't think the SCCA wants to create a situation where specific upgrades will be considered mandatory for competition in the situation where the upgrade is a performance advantage but not enough to cause a class bump. They want to avoid class dominance as much as possible but it still happens far too often, and I am sure they don't want to introduce another variable into the mix to further complicate the matter. I still think the rule change will come to pass eventually.

P.S. (I keep thinking of other things after posting) The SCCA rules as designed already have provisions for these types of modifications by providing a variety of different classes like Street Touring and CAM that the car can be moved to with those changes. They may just figure it's too much work to keep on top of 100 different alternative packages and stick with how things currently are.

[apexit53]

Originally Posted by Egon

Sorry to say guys the 6 piston Brembo upgrade on a non 1LE 1SS or 2SS is not (currently) legal for SCCA Street classes. Here is the SCCA definition of a "Standard Part".

standard part An item of standard or optional equipment that could have been ordered with the car, installed on the factory production line, and delivered through a dealer in the United States. Port-installed options provided by the manufacturer are considered to be the same as those installed on the factory production line. Dealer-installed options or deletions (except as required by factory directives), no matter how common or what their origin, are not included in this definition. This definition does not allow the updating or backdating of parts. Manufacturer options which are dealer installed must be specifically listed in Appendix A in order to be eligible

However there has been a proposal in the SCCA January Fastrack newsletter to change this to include dealer installed options and the 2016-2017 Camaro is specifically referenced for the brake cooling parts that come with the car. They also mentioned some of the other additional items you can order with a Camaro through the ordering process that are installed by the dealer upon delivery.

https://dk1xgl0d43mu1.cloudfront.net...pdf?1483478855 (bottom of page 27 and page 28)

My feeling is that this will eventually be changed to include these items, but that they may also come with a bump to a different class if their performance advantage is significant enough. I don't think that an upgrade from a 4 piston brake to a 6 piston brake would necessitate a bump to a different class but it's possible.

Bottom line is that RIGHT NOW the 6 piston Brembo package is NOT LEGAL for SCCA F-Street. If you did order this from the factory on a non 1LE 1SS or 2SS and it is on the car now you will be bumped to either STP, or CAM class. However keep in mind that local chapters may be less than strict about this, but if you expect to go to any of the SCCA Championship Tours, Pro Solo's, or Nationals they will not be allowed, you will be protested. The likelihood of this becoming an issue at the local level will vary and will be directly proportional to your propensity to win against the other drivers in your base street class.

TLDR: 6 Piston Brembo's are not currently legal on any 1SS or 2SS 6th gen in F-Street. There are proposed rule changes to possibly allow them in the future, but not yet. For local competition no one may care unless you are beating them too often.

so if you ordered your ss (non 1LE)with the 6 pistons they were not installed on the factory line?

I also don't know what cooler pack they are talking about here.

[apexit53]

Ok it's confirmed with two people. Sales man and a member of the scca board. The 6piston kit is factory ordered but the dealer installs it. Thus not legal FS legal. Sorry off track from the mustang issues but glad we could get that clear.

[Eric SS]

Originally Posted by apexit53

Ok it's confirmed with two people. Sales man and a member of the scca board. The 6piston kit is factory ordered but the dealer installs it. Thus not legal FS legal. Sorry off track from the mustang issues but glad we could get that clear.

Clearly I was wrong above which is shocking (shocking it's not allowed, NOT shocking that I was wrong lol).

That's really odd to me that the 6 pot setup isn't FS legal.

[Super Speeder]

Thanks for everyone's input. I'm glad you all cleared it up and explained the rules in detail. I'm sure there others that will learn from this thread as well.

So technically the track backing plates aren't legal in FS either since they aren't installed at the factory?

I don't think the stock brakes are a disadvantage for me at this point in FS. I have changed the fluid and pads, so performance is pretty good. I was just thinking if I ran across a good deal on 6-pistons I might jump on it since I plan to do some track days in the future.