[AZCamaroFan]

Originally Posted by fastball

No matter how "significantly" the 4th gen chassis was improved over the third gen, it was still a continuation of the third, still a rattle box after a few miles

no

[ImperialSScamaro]

I never meant for this thread to go this far I'm just saying the only issue I had with my 2000 4th Gen Z28 was the cats went out around 60k miles and chevy replaced them for free.
My 5th Gen SS had zero problems.
My now 6th Gen had the rear end moan, paint sucks, apple car play sucks, metallic vibration in my npp exhauset, the tach goes nuts, ect.
Yes the 6th Gen is built better with better parts but mine has more problems. I may buy the 7th gen later in its life or buy a used one.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

no

Yes. Those cars all had cheap garbage interiors and were complete junk rattle boxes. Fast rattle boxes. In fact last few years of the F-body, 1999-2002, used about the cheapest, hardest plastic you can find. And it was a sea of gray to boot.

The nightmare of pre-bankrupt GM reared it's ugly head there.

Bankruptcy was the best thing for GM. They needed to change, flush the drain of all the old ways of doing things, and start building cars the right way.

[AZCamaroFan]

Originally Posted by fastball

Yes. Those cars all had cheap garbage interiors and were complete junk rattle boxes. Fast rattle boxes. In fact last few years of the F-body, 1999-2002, used about the cheapest, hardest plastic you can find. And it was a sea of gray to boot.

The nightmare of pre-bankrupt GM reared it's ugly head there.

Bankruptcy was the best thing for GM. They needed to change, flush the drain of all the old ways of doing things, and start building cars the right way.

having driven one to 60k miles with t tops, NO

not to mention Car and Driver did a long term test to over 40K and said the same thing. It was tight as a drum at the end of the test.
Stop misinformation.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by CreativeDawn

Yep! Funny thing was right before buying this, I had purchased another card and it was too late to cancel because they had already processed everything, boxed it up and were shipping to my addy!

I simply refused the first package (the other card which was older tech yet still new) and went for this STRIX 1080ti OverClocked Edition! I use it using my Alienware Amplifier Hub connected to my Alienware R3 17 Lappy!

So far I'm able to run Grand Theft Auto 5 with REDUX Mod installed at practically max settings. The only thing that worries me is overheating! This card actually spoke to me last night and said "Card Temp" or something along those lines which caught me off guard.

GTA5 max settings with that whole new redux add-on is really heating up the card due to all the needed resources! I also just purchased an HTC Vive too because I really want to experience good VR and I'm excited to play Battlefield 1 using the Vive Headset. And here I thought my GTX 970 (inside my Alienware Laptop) was good enough to play a lot of games in max settings. I guess I was wrong! Quake and many others had no issue but GTA5 requires a lot! I think you can get over 100 frames per second with the Strix?

What temps is the 1080ti getting up to past 80 I assume. Can you still use something like MSI after burner to make a custom fan profile when its in the external box?. I do think it was brilliant of Alienware to make that box that allows people to use desktop cards on their laptops absolutely brilliant. My systems not cutting edge like yours its a desktop with an i7 6700k in the EVGA GTX 980 TI classified lovin it.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

having driven one to 60k miles with t tops, NO

not to mention Car and Driver did a long term test to over 40K and said the same thing. It was tight as a drum at the end of the test.
Stop misinformation.

60k. 40k. That's still new. Ever drive one with 120k?

No misinformation here. You're just another "GM has never built a bad car in their history" excuse maker.

Again, huge difference in their cars pre and post bankruptcy.

[AZCamaroFan]

...in other words you claim you drove a car that was worn out and rattled to 3rd gens that rattled from the day they rolled off the assembly line.

[Ctkizer]

Oh come on consumer report people. High powered engine and you complain about the gas mileage, sports car and you complain about the trunk space. Did these clowns no do any research or test drives when purchased their cars. The six gen camaro is a great and reliable car. I loooooooooooves mine.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

...in other words you claim you drove a car that was worn out and rattled to 3rd gens that rattled from the day they rolled off the assembly line.

The 4th gen had just as much cheap garbage plastic as the third gen. That's a fact jack. Not misinformation, and every time you complain about misinformation I will set you straight.

Just because you and C&D had ones that didn't rattle right off the line doesn't mean that was the norm, in FACT it was not. Those cars had the cheapest plastic prone to cracking and rattling and it was not much better than the third gen. But that was the norm for ALL General Motors cars from that era, even Cadillac. It was partially, directly responsible for the company coming this close to oblivion.

I'm glad they've turned things around, as evidence by the fact I bought one because it's up to my expectations of quality, but my God when I see complete, blinded apologists like you it sometimes makes me wish President Bush would have told Rick Wagoner to pound salt!

[AZCamaroFan]

if i was an apologist i wouldn't say the 3rd gens had extremely flexible bodies since they're my favorite generation. if you hate GM so much why are you here? i've heard from others familiar with you that you've been doing it for years.

[dotfiles]

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by camaro5

btw - Here's Car and Driver's opinion after 30,000 miles:

The paint finish and panel gap on mine is very nice. I wrapped the front in Xpel so I can't comment on whether it chips easily. I daily drive it and Wisconsin winter didn't damage the wrapped or unwrapped areas. The trunk lid did rub the paint off the filler panel ahead but its not really noticeable

After 10,600 miles and having driven it in -10º F to +100º F, I’m with Car and Driver

Camaro has failed us precisely zero times, not once leaving us stranded or ever exhibiting mechanical or electrical problems.

It is a tire-smoking picture of reliability.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-update-review

[edillen1]

Originally Posted by tman0327

I agree, 1 million percent... the paint quality is extremely poor on new Camaros and new Corvettes. Hopefully they can straighten it out....we pay way too much for these cars to have the paint quality GM has given us..

This isnt just a Camaro/Chevy issue. Fords, Hondas, Hyundai. Unless you are buying ultra premium this is the new norm.

[brantley847]

Just get the ZL1 and rub your body against the suede