[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

That's all you see is a 12 second 1/4 mile. Someday, you'll learn. I've had daily driven 10 second mustangs and quite honestly, it's not all about 1/4 mile. If it were, I'd be driving a Tesla.

And all you see is cornering. I never said the quarter mile is all I see. That is what you're taking from this because you aren't listening. I have said multiple times that the GT350R costs more, has less options, doesn't corner well enough to beat the ZL1 on the track, can't beat the ZL1 in a straight line, on top of the added dealership fees. Now let me spell it out for you since you have a hard time understanding...all of those reasons are why I think the Shelby is garbage. The only thing you guys keep talking about ever since MT said it is some nonsense about driver experience and feel with the car. How do you know that we aren't getting that same driver experience and feeling from our ZL1s? You don't. You're just repeating whats been spoon fed to you. Even if there was some magical experience associated with a Shelby, it certainly is not worth dealer markups.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

You're modded ZL1 will destroy my modded GT? WTF lol. It's funny, I'm not threatened by a ZL1 either....because I don't street race. It seems like you have a bit of a complex going on....you do realize you can't always be the fastest don't you?

WTH are you even talking about? You said you could mod your GT to beat my ZL1...and I can mod my ZL1 to beat your modded GT. How the hell does that make me have a complex when I was simply saying exactly what you said. If anything, talking about modding your GT to beat my ZL1 gives you an inferiority complex. And sure you don't street race. Weird how everyone online is a completely honest citizen when that subject comes up. Who me? Street race? Oh heavens no, not me, never...right. I never said I'll be the fastest either. But if you wanna talk about mods, then trust me I can talk about modding too. You brought it up. Don't get all huffy with me when I reply back on it. Trust me, you're gonna spend a lot more on your GT to keep up with me than I would have to spend to stay ahead of you.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Come back to me in 2 years when the ZL1 1LE hit the used market and let me know about your loss. The more you pay, the harder you'll fall. The rare exception are those limited edition cars that hold their values. The 93 cobra R, 95 cobra R, 2000 cobra R, Terminator Cobras and Boss 302 all hold their values extremely well. The GT350 will most likely do the same. Just because a newer car is faster does not diminish the value of these cars (cars "soul" plays a factor here).

And come back to me when those of you Mustang guys who paid $20K dealer markups are still upside down after it depreciates. I'd rather have my ZL1 and lose money in depreciation than pay markups and straight up give money away. We all deal with depreciation. So I'm not worried about that. Chances are in 2 years I won't even be thinking about getting rid of my car anyway. But if it makes you feel better to think like that then by all means go ahead.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

They buy shit because they can. You are the one that seems to think if a car doesn't go down the 1/4 mile faster than another that it's value is garbage. You just don't understand yet the value that cars offer outside of 1/4 mile performance.

Its called "stupidity". I can go out and buy shit simply because I can too. But I don't because I'm smart with my money. Just because these guys have a lot of money doesn't mean they're smart. I know people who work in banks and finances and even own businesses doing finances. And one thing they all tell me is that a lot of people who have lots of money are not smart with their money. And you Shelby owners aren't Barrett Jackson people anyway for that matter. The Shelby isn't sitting in an auction. It is at a dealership marked up some crazy amount which they are foolish enough to pay.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

If a GT500 comes out this gen I think they can easily make it similar price to the Camaro. I don't think Ford would be dumb enough to make something costing way more than its direct competitor

Not going to beat the 1/4 dead horse anymore we will have to agree to disagree.

And I appreciate the honest response on the hypothetical question.

I think they can do it also. It would be interesting to see. But I still have my doubts that it will make it out. Ford seems to be in a performance slump and they don't really have anything to offer the hardcore enthusiasts out there. I think the GT500, if it comes out, will reawaken something and get them back on their feet again.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And all you see is cornering. I never said the quarter mile is all I see. That is what you're taking from this because you aren't listening.

You have said multiple times how slow the GT350R is in the 1/4 mile....nearly every post. I am listening.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I have said multiple times that the GT350R costs more, has less options, doesn't corner well enough to beat the ZL1 on the track, can't beat the ZL1 in a straight line, on top of the added dealership fees.

No, you have said multiple times the GT350R is inferior in every way shape or form. This is the first time you actually admit the GT350R is better in the twisties.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Now let me spell it out for you since you have a hard time understanding...all of those reasons are why I think the Shelby is garbage.

There's that inferiority poking it's head out again. Calling other cars garbage because you don't agree with it's performance. Almost all of the non-fanboy automotive world disagrees with you.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

WTH are you even talking about? You said you could mod your GT to beat my ZL1...and I can mod my ZL1 to beat your modded GT. How the hell does that make me have a complex when I was simply saying exactly what you said. If anything, talking about modding your GT to beat my ZL1 gives you an inferiority complex.

Haha, getting difficult to keep up with the quotes I guess. Fair enough, I did mention it.
As for inferiority, I purchased my GT knowing it's slower than the SS. I'd say I'm comfortable with it's performance.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And sure you don't street race. Weird how everyone online is a completely honest citizen when that subject comes up. Who me? Street race? Oh heavens no, not me, never...right.

Haven't street raced in years. If you get older, you'll understand.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I never said I'll be the fastest either. But if you wanna talk about mods, then trust me I can talk about modding too. You brought it up. Don't get all huffy with me when I reply back on it. Trust me, you're gonna spend a lot more on your GT to keep up with me than I would have to spend to stay ahead of you.

I'm fairly certain with $30k invested in my GT, I could dig you into a hole you wouldn't be able to touch without you yourself spending an extra $30k. When it comes to forced induction, you're going to have a tough time beating a coyote....even with your ZL1. With $30k invested into an S550, holy shit.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And come back to me when those of you Mustang guys who paid $20K dealer markups are still upside down after it depreciates. I'd rather have my ZL1 and lose money in depreciation than pay markups and straight up give money away. We all deal with depreciation. So I'm not worried about that. Chances are in 2 years I won't even be thinking about getting rid of my car anyway. But if it makes you feel better to think like that then by all means go ahead.

Don't kid yourself, most aren't paying $20K dealer markup.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Its called "stupidity". I can go out and buy shit simply because I can too. But I don't because I'm smart with my money. Just because these guys have a lot of money doesn't mean they're smart. I know people who work in banks and finances and even own businesses doing finances. And one thing they all tell me is that a lot of people who have lots of money are not smart with their money. And you Shelby owners aren't Barrett Jackson people anyway for that matter. The Shelby isn't sitting in an auction. It is at a dealership marked up some crazy amount which they are foolish enough to pay.

It's only stupidity if you can't afford it. Just because you can't afford what others can doesn't make it stupid. That's a bit ignorant don't you think? I wouldn't spend $500 on a pair of jeans, but I also wouldn't ostracize those who can.

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[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

You have said multiple times how slow the GT350R is in the 1/4 mile....nearly every post. I am listening.

Everything altogether is not enough to justify me spending my money on this car. The quarter mile time stands out to me because it is pathetic. $65K MSRP for a car that runs a 12.2 in 2017 (sure it came out before 17 but still) is pathetic. No other brand new 17 model year performance car in that price range is that slow. And for a Mustang of all cars. No matter what you say to try and defend it, that is a ridiculously slow quarter mile. Especially in a car with no options.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

No, you have said multiple times the GT350R is inferior in every way shape or form. This is the first time you actually admit the GT350R is better in the twisties.

Yes I do think it is inferior. If that bothers you then I don't know what to tell you. It isn't even the lacking performance. It is everything associated with that car that I don't even consider it to be the ZL1's equal. And what I said is that it doesn't perform well enough in cornering to beat the ZL1 in a race of any kind. That much is true.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

There's that inferiority poking it's head out again. Calling other cars garbage because you don't agree with it's performance. Almost all of the non-fanboy automotive world disagrees with you.

I call it "garbage" because to me that is what it is. It is a stripped down GT with an expensive engine, expensive wheels, that isn't good enough at what it is good for to beat it's competitor. It's like hiring a hooker who can't give a decent BJ, lol!! Like, what is your purpose even? HAHA!! Oh, and I don't care who agrees with me. I don't say things because I hope others will agree. I say things based on how I feel about it. So nice try but...not really.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Haha, getting difficult to keep up with the quotes I guess. Fair enough, I did mention it.
As for inferiority, I purchased my GT knowing it's slower than the SS. I'd say I'm comfortable with it's performance.



Haven't street raced in years. If you get older, you'll understand.

I purchased the GT without regard for the SS. The GT was what I wanted. But the lack of performance was enough to drive me crazy. Especially for what I spent. To make that car fast you have to add headers, cai, tune, and IM. Wait time for tunes is two weeks or more. Tune updates are like a few days wait time. Header install is a good day to a day and a half. A buddy of mine paid a shop darn near $1000 for the install. And then there is the fact that after all that your warranty is history. Yes some of us do care about a warranty. All that BS for a new Stang is flat out ridiculous. Hey I'm glad you like yours. But I was not happy in mine.

And I'm sure you're just a model citizen. I'm not. I drive my car and enjoy it. You guys keep talking about the experience of owning it and revving it out and all that. Well if you're doing that on the street, even if it is back roads, then you're breaking the law. So unless you're going to the track several times a week then I'm not sure how you're getting all this enjoyment and owner experience and high revs you're talking about...unless you're driving on the highway in low gear revving the crap out of it. I call BS on that.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

I'm fairly certain with $30k invested in my GT, I could dig you into a hole you wouldn't be able to touch without you yourself spending an extra $30k. When it comes to forced induction, you're going to have a tough time beating a coyote....even with your ZL1. With $30k invested into an S550, holy shit.

Hmm so is that an inferiority complex when you say it? Or is it only when other say it? And talking mods is a BS argument. Everyone and their mom can go back and forth talking about how they could do this and do that...sure. You can throw $30K in mods on your GT, Honda Civic kids can throw X amount of money into their car, 370Z owners can throw X amount of money itno their car...yea yea that argument is lame. Heck I could have thrown that much into my GT or SS. But why? LOL!!

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Don't kid yourself, most aren't paying $20K dealer markup.

It's only stupidity if you can't afford it. Just because you can't afford what others can doesn't make it stupid. That's a bit ignorant don't you think? I wouldn't spend $500 on a pair of jeans, but I also wouldn't ostracize those who can.

On average you guys are paying over $10K in mark ups. Some of you $5K, some of you $10K, some more, some in between. I said $20K to show just how stupid it is to pay that much especially when others aren't. Like you willingly just got taken advantage of like a sucker. That is the mentality I'm talking about. Whatever the case is, none of you are getting it at MSRP, lol!!

And it does make it stupid. There are always smart choices and stupid choices regardless of what a person can afford. If you can afford to go out and eat every night, is that a smart choice or a foolish one? It ain't smart. And a lot of people who have money are not smart with it.

[13vertss]

I see on the other forum, another voodoo bites the dust. These engines imho won't be reliable in the long run. To have this many engines blown just in that forum in which maybe 400 owners, is not very good. They may be special, but I would not keep after warranty is up.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Everything altogether is not enough to justify me spending my money on this car. The quarter mile time stands out to me because it is pathetic. $65K MSRP for a car that runs a 12.2 in 2017 (sure it came out before 17 but still) is pathetic. No other brand new 17 model year performance car in that price range is that slow. And for a Mustang of all cars. No matter what you say to try and defend it, that is a ridiculously slow quarter mile. Especially in a car with no options.

The 1/4 mile stands out to you because that's what you care about. There is nothing wrong with that, but obviously there is more to a car than a 1/4 mile. Everyone (except you) knows the GT350 is not setup to be a 1/4 mile terror. Ford decided on the gearing and non-optioned auto transmission for a reason....it's not a dragstrip queen. People don't buy it for it's 1/4 mile prowess...but they are willing to pay admin for it's driving feel and track prowess. It's telling that even with it's "ridiculously slow quarter mile" it's within spitting distance of the supercharged ZL1 around the track.

On a side note, since when is low 12's @ 118mph equated to ridiculously slow 1/4 mile times?

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yes I do think it is inferior. If that bothers you then I don't know what to tell you. It isn't even the lacking performance. It is everything associated with that car that I don't even consider it to be the ZL1's equal. And what I said is that it doesn't perform well enough in cornering to beat the ZL1 in a race of any kind. That much is true.

It doesn't bother me, I'm just pointing out that you seem to have an affection for belittling a vehicle that is severely out-muscled and yet consistently wins direct comparisons and is VERY close around a road course. It's as if you are angrily trying to justify your purchase...almost as if there is some animosity towards GT350 owners. Strange really.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I call it "garbage" because to me that is what it is. It is a stripped down GT with an expensive engine, expensive wheels, that isn't good enough at what it is good for to beat it's competitor. It's like hiring a hooker who can't give a decent BJ, lol!! Like, what is your purpose even? HAHA!! Oh, and I don't care who agrees with me. I don't say things because I hope others will agree. I say things based on how I feel about it. So nice try but...not really.

LOL, the ZL1 is a heavily optioned base camaro. Pot meet kettle? At least that "Garbage" will be worth a damn in 5 years.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I purchased the GT without regard for the SS. The GT was what I wanted. But the lack of performance was enough to drive me crazy. Especially for what I spent. To make that car fast you have to add headers, cai, tune, and IM. Wait time for tunes is two weeks or more. Tune updates are like a few days wait time. Header install is a good day to a day and a half. A buddy of mine paid a shop darn near $1000 for the install. And then there is the fact that after all that your warranty is history. Yes some of us do care about a warranty. All that BS for a new Stang is flat out ridiculous. Hey I'm glad you like yours. But I was not happy in mine.

You see, that's the difference between you and me. You are still on the "wanna go fast" kick where I long ago gave up trying to be faster than everyone else and decided to go with what I more enjoyed driving. Daily driving 10 second cars isn't all what it's cracked up to be. There is a reason people still love the shit out of Miatas.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And I'm sure you're just a model citizen. I'm not. I drive my car and enjoy it. You guys keep talking about the experience of owning it and revving it out and all that. Well if you're doing that on the street, even if it is back roads, then you're breaking the law. So unless you're going to the track several times a week then I'm not sure how you're getting all this enjoyment and owner experience and high revs you're talking about...unless you're driving on the highway in low gear revving the crap out of it. I call BS on that.

There is a difference between spirited driving and street racing.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

On average you guys are paying over $10K in mark ups. Some of you $5K, some of you $10K, some more, some in between. I said $20K to show just how stupid it is to pay that much especially when others aren't. Like you willingly just got taken advantage of like a sucker. That is the mentality I'm talking about. Whatever the case is, none of you are getting it at MSRP, lol!!

Some are getting them at MSRP....but most I'd venture to say have connections. With that said, even with admin they are selling the shit out of them. Hell, many reviews say even with Admin it's a steal for what you get.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And it does make it stupid. There are always smart choices and stupid choices regardless of what a person can afford. If you can afford to go out and eat every night, is that a smart choice or a foolish one? It ain't smart. And a lot of people who have money are not smart with it.

It's only stupid for those who can't afford it....it's that simple. To say it's "stupid" is to call every single person that decides to purchase a new vehicle stupid. Again, just because you can't afford the price does not make it stupid...and yes, you cannot afford the admin...or you wouldn't be complaining.

[bpang1234]

First, I think the comparison is flawed because the GT350R and ZL1 aren't true competitors other than the fact that they CURRENTLY sit on top of their respective hills.

I like the GT350R but I think most of it's advantages are from those carbon fiber wheels that will be ridiculous to replace if you ever break one.

Would rather have a ZL1 no doubt about it. It is the complete package whereas the GT350R is catered to a very specific experience.

Blaq wrote it best when he described it's ability to go from an 11-second slip (or for me a track day) and go right to a nice dinner (or for me, the daily commute). The ZL1 ticks off more boxes whereas the GT350R ticks off the pure racing boxes. Both are great but I would rather pay for the ZL1...I like power no matter how much I like taking turns.

If I was getting a strictly track day car, the GT350R might be the ticket but I have no doubt that GM could likely do a better racing focused Camaro for the same money and similar warranty.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by bpang1234

I have no doubt that GM could likely do a better racing focused Camaro for the same money and similar warranty.

GM did have a racing focused camaro...and it was bested by the GT350. You might want to check the MSRP on the 5th gen Z28 (it was more expensive than the GT350).

I do agree though, the only reason we are comparing these two is because it's the current highest offering available. 10 years ago people would be laughing at the thought of comparing a naturally aspirated mustang to a supercharged camaro.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

GM did have a racing focused camaro...and it was bested by the GT350. You might want to check the MSRP on the 5th gen Z28 (it was more expensive than the GT350).

I do agree though, the only reason we are comparing these two is because it's the current highest offering available. 10 years ago people would be laughing at the thought of comparing a naturally aspirated mustang to a supercharged camaro.

It was bested by the 350r. It still beat the gt350 by 2 sec.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

I see on the other forum, another voodoo bites the dust. These engines imho won't be reliable in the long run. To have this many engines blown just in that forum in which maybe 400 owners, is not very good. They may be special, but I would not keep after warranty is up.

I saw that thread too. It was worth a few chuckles.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

It was bested by the 350r. It still beat the gt350 by 2 sec.

BOOM, goes the dynamite.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

The 1/4 mile stands out to you because that's what you care about. There is nothing wrong with that, but obviously there is more to a car than a 1/4 mile. Everyone (except you) knows the GT350 is not setup to be a 1/4 mile terror. Ford decided on the gearing and non-optioned auto transmission for a reason....it's not a dragstrip queen. People don't buy it for it's 1/4 mile prowess...but they are willing to pay admin for it's driving feel and track prowess. It's telling that even with it's "ridiculously slow quarter mile" it's within spitting distance of the supercharged ZL1 around the track.

On a side note, since when is low 12's @ 118mph equated to ridiculously slow 1/4 mile times?

The quarter mile stood out BECAUSE IT IS A $65K+ CAR!! LOL!! I never said it was set up to be a quarter mile terror. But it should at least be somewhere near the cars that cost the same amount. I said it before to someone else, you Mustang guys rag on the Hellcat all the time for not being able to corner...and for it being a straight line car. Despite the fact that it is built with straight line performance in mind. But your GT350R is only good at cornering and therefore deserves the ridicule. At least the Hellcat beats other cars in it's arena. The GT350R lost on the track, lol!! And 12.2s been slow. The 5th Gen ZL1 and GT500 (before 2013) was ridiculed for only being low 12s and that was 5 years ago. You think performance sat still for 5 years? Get a clue.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

It doesn't bother me, I'm just pointing out that you seem to have an affection for belittling a vehicle that is severely out-muscled and yet consistently wins direct comparisons and is VERY close around a road course. It's as if you are angrily trying to justify your purchase...almost as if there is some animosity towards GT350 owners. Strange really.

If you think 0.39 seconds is close then you are wrong. But keep telling yourself whatever makes you sleep better at night. Why would I try to justify my purchase when I passed up on the GT350 way before the ZL1 even came out? LOL!! From the minute the GT350 hit the streets I thought it was pathetic looking at the times it posted. I have no animosity at all. Hey, it's your money, throw it away if you like. Oh, and I could have bought a GT350R too. That is if I wanted to pay the dealership which I didn't. I have lots of friends who have cars like these. All the ones who bought the GT350 got rid of it for either a Z06 or a ZL1 or a Hellcat. Nobody envies GT350 guys except for GT owners, lol!!

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

LOL, the ZL1 is a heavily optioned base camaro. Pot meet kettle? At least that "Garbage" will be worth a damn in 5 years.

In 5 years it won't be worth crap because the SS will be destroying it by then. And sure, you can call the ZL1 an optioned out SS. It comes standard with all the options that are available in the SS and you can option in stuff that the SS doesn't have. Your Shelby is stripped. You gotta option in AC and a radio. They took a GT, added a suspension to it, threw in an expensive overpriced engine with vibrational issues, threw on some super expensive wheels, just for it to get it's ass handed to it by the ZL1. Hey you guys better hope it is worth something in 5 years because otherwise you threw away more money than you know. And that is even if people want it by then. Which is why I doubt Ford will put something better out. Because if they do, then everyone will want the new thing.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

You see, that's the difference between you and me. You are still on the "wanna go fast" kick where I long ago gave up trying to be faster than everyone else and decided to go with what I more enjoyed driving. Daily driving 10 second cars isn't all what it's cracked up to be. There is a reason people still love the shit out of Miatas.



There is a difference between spirited driving and street racing.

I am 40 years old and I will never outgrow the "wanna go fast" kick. I don't wanna be faster than everyone else. But I damn sure don't want a car that costs as much as the Shelby and loses at everything performance-related.

Spirited driving can still be considered illegal and you can be cited for it. Some municipalities call it "excessive display of horsepower", "wreckless driving", etc. So while it isn't street racing, it is still illegal and you can be pulled over, cited, or worse. Out here in NJ it is mandatory impounding of your vehicle, mandatory arrest, I believe mandatory loss of license, etc if your driving in a "spirited" manner and a cops deems it "racing". So again, don't try to be mister spic and span boy scout. Nobody buys these cars and then decide to not put them to use.

And I wouldn't be caught dead in a Miata. I know their potential and what they can be made to do. But still, not for me no way no how.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Some are getting them at MSRP....but most I'd venture to say have connections. With that said, even with admin they are selling the shit out of them. Hell, many reviews say even with Admin it's a steal for what you get.


It's only stupid for those who can't afford it....it's that simple. To say it's "stupid" is to call every single person that decides to purchase a new vehicle stupid. Again, just because you can't afford the price does not make it stupid...and yes, you cannot afford the admin...or you wouldn't be complaining.

I never complained about the markups. Not once. I simply chose not to pay it. And I think it is pretty stupid to pay it. And not that it's any of your business, but I had $10K in money as a down payment, $14K of equity in one car, about $2K in equity in a SUV I got at a crazy good deal a few months ago, and a really high credit score. Trust me when I tell you, I had my pick of the litter. I had my eyes on a brand new Z06 3LZ. And if it wasn't for the fact that it was too darn uncomfortable and the ZL1 was much more practical, I would have had that instead. I am not ever gonna pay fully loaded top model brand new Vette money for a Mustang. Not even close. Oh and BTW, I got my ZL1 financed with that dealership's top tier bank with no money down. If I wanted a GT350R, I would be in one right now. You would be surprised if you knew what I could have bought.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The quarter mile stood out BECAUSE IT IS A $65K+ CAR!! LOL!! I never said it was set up to be a quarter mile terror. But it should at least be somewhere near the cars that cost the same amount. I said it before to someone else, you Mustang guys rag on the Hellcat all the time for not being able to corner...and for it being a straight line car. Despite the fact that it is built with straight line performance in mind. But your GT350R is only good at cornering and therefore deserves the ridicule. At least the Hellcat beats other cars in it's arena. The GT350R lost on the track, lol!! And 12.2s been slow. The 5th Gen ZL1 and GT500 (before 2013) was ridiculed for only being low 12s and that was 5 years ago. You think performance sat still for 5 years? Get a clue.

The Z28 was a $75K car. The GT350 doesn't need to be a 1/4 mile terror. It's not in the same class as the ZL1. Quite honestly, you're one of the few the ridicule the GT350R. Everyone else seems to be able to see the GT350R for what it is...except for you. As for the GT500, it was a tire swap away from being a low 11 second car. Yes, the previous gen GT500 was just as capable in the 1/4 mile as your beloved ZL1. And yet, here we are comparing the naturally aspirated GT350R.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

If you think 0.39 seconds is close then you are wrong. But keep telling yourself whatever makes you sleep better at night. Why would I try to justify my purchase when I passed up on the GT350 way before the ZL1 even came out? LOL!! From the minute the GT350 hit the streets I thought it was pathetic looking at the times it posted. I have no animosity at all. Hey, it's your money, throw it away if you like. Oh, and I could have bought a GT350R too. That is if I wanted to pay the dealership which I didn't. I have lots of friends who have cars like these. All the ones who bought the GT350 got rid of it for either a Z06 or a ZL1 or a Hellcat. Nobody envies GT350 guys except for GT owners, lol!!

0.39 seconds is close enough to make tire wear a real issue, or an inopportune re-fueling. There is much more to a race the just lap time alone.

As for envy....you must not frequent auto events. I'm sorry to say, but GT350R's still get far more oohs and ahhs than anything GM puts out.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

In 5 years it won't be worth crap because the SS will be destroying it by then. And sure, you can call the ZL1 an optioned out SS. It comes standard with all the options that are available in the SS and you can option in stuff that the SS doesn't have. Your Shelby is stripped. You gotta option in AC and a radio. They took a GT, added a suspension to it, threw in an expensive overpriced engine with vibrational issues, threw on some super expensive wheels, just for it to get it's ass handed to it by the ZL1. Hey you guys better hope it is worth something in 5 years because otherwise you threw away more money than you know. And that is even if people want it by then. Which is why I doubt Ford will put something better out. Because if they do, then everyone will want the new thing.

The GT350R is only stripped if you order it as such. More are optioned with AC and stereo than without.

As for "you guys", I honestly hope prices drop like a rock so I can pick one up used in a few years. I don't own one...remember.

Ford always puts better out...and it doesn't affect the value of previous generation specialty cars. It could be simply because mustangs have a larger following...and a bigger brand name. It's most definitely partially because of limited supply. You see, when it comes to mustangs....people don't necessarily care about one being the fastest....as the newer versions will undoubtedly be quicker. Go look at used prices for 2012 boss 302's. They are bested around the track by the S550 performance pack, yet still regularly fetch $30k+.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I am 40 years old and I will never outgrow the "wanna go fast" kick. I don't wanna be faster than everyone else. But I damn sure don't want a car that costs as much as the Shelby and loses at everything performance-related.

Why does it matter? Apparantly it's not about the driving experience.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Spirited driving can still be considered illegal and you can be cited for it. Some municipalities call it "excessive display of horsepower", "wreckless driving", etc. So while it isn't street racing, it is still illegal and you can be pulled over, cited, or worse. Out here in NJ it is mandatory impounding of your vehicle, mandatory arrest, I believe mandatory loss of license, etc if your driving in a "spirited" manner and a cops deems it "racing". So again, don't try to be mister spic and span boy scout. Nobody buys these cars and then decide to not put them to use.

When you see people around you being killed for street racing, you'll notice the difference. Spirited driving can get you a ticket. Street racing get's people killed. A bit of a difference.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And I wouldn't be caught dead in a Miata. I know their potential and what they can be made to do. But still, not for me no way no how.

Again, this shows your maturity. There is nothing wrong a Miata...they are fun as hell. There is an entire racing series dedicated to them.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I never complained about the markups. Not once. I simply chose not to pay it. And I think it is pretty stupid to pay it. And not that it's any of your business, but I had $10K in money as a down payment, $14K of equity in one car, about $2K in equity in a SUV I got at a crazy good deal a few months ago, and a really high credit score. Trust me when I tell you, I had my pick of the litter. I had my eyes on a brand new Z06 3LZ. And if it wasn't for the fact that it was too darn uncomfortable and the ZL1 was much more practical, I would have had that instead. I am not ever gonna pay fully loaded top model brand new Vette money for a Mustang. Not even close. Oh and BTW, I got my ZL1 financed with that dealership's top tier bank with no money down. If I wanted a GT350R, I would be in one right now. You would be surprised if you knew what I could have bought.

All you have done is bitch and moan about the GT350R having admin. If you could afford to pay admin, you would. You just don't see it. The reason you chose not to pay admin is because you can't afford to. It doesn't make financial sense. Of course, neither does buying a new car, but that's a different discussions altogether.