[lownslowss]

500 miles issue free. Blind spot monitor? What's dis


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[mrtoner]

Originally Posted by BrianL

No real issues with mine either. Build quality so far is solid on mine

+1

[bigd1276]

Having owned 3 Gen3 Camaros, 2 Gen 5s, and now my Gen 6 the word that best describes it to me is refined. Ride, interior quality, engine are all major improvements. What I have learned is that you just can't please some people.

[Hot2016Red]

The build quality of the Gen6 is extremely well made. On Velocity TV there is a show called "How Cars Are Built." Ironically they did a segment on the 2016 Camaro to show the technology and engineering that has gone into building these cars. State of the art! These cars a so well engineered there is nothing in past generations that come even close to the manufacturing process that goes into them. Yes cars come out with glitches. Help me understand products mass produced today that do not? If you ever get a chance to see the build process you will walk away wondering, " how the hell do they do that." It's amazing to my simple mind.

[bucknut2006]

Originally Posted by Bigdog9586

Only problems I've had is I catch my foot on the hood opener popping it at least once a week.
Second problem is when it rains the left blind spot monitor blinks on and off when there isn't a thing in sight. I mean on a freeway and nothing across from the left side for over a hundred yards.
Third thing is when cold engine runs rough and tranny shifts funny sometimes.

The blindspot monitor on mine freaks out when it rains too. I figured it was a design flaw as my other GM vehicles don't have the problem.

[gringo]

Originally Posted by fastball

The 4th gen was built on a modified chassis that came out in 1982. So even the very last 2002 F-body was running on a chassis designed in the late 1970s. It's not even remotely close to the chassis engineering of the 6th gen. Torsional rigidity, gap alignment, stiffness...... those weren't even words used in the design labs back then, let alone the fact they were still using a slide rule and a drafting board when the F-body was drawn up.

Actually, the 4th gen was a significant step up from the 3rd gen in body rigidity even though it shared the same floorplan. Except for the floorpan stamping, everthing else was redesigned including the front suspension.

And the 5th gen was put together hastily on a 1990s Holden Monaro chassis just to get it out there in a reasonable time frame.

Actually, no. The Holden Monaro was based upon the Zeta chassis. However, significant upgrades were needed for the 5th gen so Zeta was beefed up thus called Zeta II. If anything, the Zeta II was overbuilt for the 5th gen which caused it to incure the weight penalty that we all know.

[QUOTEThe 6th gen is engineered using modern computers and it's strength was tested in theory long before the first plate of steel was stamped or welded. Speaking of welding, look at the weld points on a 4th gen compared to a 6th gen. Hand welding with lead or robotic precision laser welding? Hmmm I wonder what results in better stiffness and quality[/QUOTE]

Hand welding was discontinued after 1st gen F-body production ended in '69. The 2nd gen, 3rd gen and 4th gen were all welded together using robots. Lead was used on the 2nd and 3rd gens due to their "seamless" quarter panel construction. The 5th gen went to a channel type interface between body panels with plastic trim on the roof covering the quarter panel interface joint.

The 6th gen uses a new laser welding process that offers a cleaner result which eliminates the need for a trim piece to cover the welded joint.

Modern computers were first used in the design of the 3rd gen back in the late '70's.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by gringo

Actually, the 4th gen was a significant step up from the 3rd gen in body rigidity even though it shared the same floorplan. Except for the floorpan stamping, everthing else was redesigned including the front suspension.



Actually, no. The Holden Monaro was based upon the Zeta chassis. However, significant upgrades were needed for the 5th gen so Zeta was beefed up thus called Zeta II. If anything, the Zeta II was overbuilt for the 5th gen which caused it to incure the weight penalty that we all know.

[QUOTEThe 6th gen is engineered using modern computers and it's strength was tested in theory long before the first plate of steel was stamped or welded. Speaking of welding, look at the weld points on a 4th gen compared to a 6th gen. Hand welding with lead or robotic precision laser welding? Hmmm I wonder what results in better stiffness and quality

Hand welding was discontinued after 1st gen F-body production ended in '69. The 2nd gen, 3rd gen and 4th gen were all welded together using robots. Lead was used on the 2nd and 3rd gens due to their "seamless" quarter panel construction. The 5th gen went to a channel type interface between body panels with plastic trim on the roof covering the quarter panel interface joint.

The 6th gen uses a new laser welding process that offers a cleaner result which eliminates the need for a trim piece to cover the welded joint.

Modern computers were first used in the design of the 3rd gen back in the late '70's.

5th gen is Zeta, not Zeta II. Zeta II arrived in 2015.

MAY 2, 2012

Zeta will morph into the lighter and even more flexible Zeta II for 2015, at which point the Camaro will move onto the Alpha component set also used by Cadillac’s ATS and next-gen CTS.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/chevrol...en-on-zeta-ii/

http://www.chevrolet.com/awards


http://www.parsintl.com/eprints/Chevrolet/S038068-4.pdf

[ImperialSScamaro]

lol I surely didn't mean to sound ungrateful. Yes its huge upgrades compared to the 4th, and 5th Gen. However I had absoulutly zero problems with my 5gen. So far on my 6th gen Ive gotten paint problems, rear end moan, glitches in my car play, my tach bounces around like crazy sometimes at idle. My 5th gen was a 2012 so I guess 2 years into the production of the car the glitches was fixed. My Camaro now is a 2016 so maybe for the 7th Gen I should wait a couple more years.

[Zack46]

Originally Posted by fastball

You seriously think the 6th gen is lower quality than the 4-5 gens?

Wow. The old cars had horrible chassis and cheap plastic interiors. The 6th gen is built like a tank and has much better interior plastic.

Seriously, I have no idea what you're smoking. But you're definitely hallucinating.

+1

[fastball]

Originally Posted by gringo

Actually, the 4th gen was a significant step up from the 3rd gen in body rigidity even though it shared the same floorplan. Except for the floorpan stamping, everthing else was redesigned including the front suspension.



Actually, no. The Holden Monaro was based upon the Zeta chassis. However, significant upgrades were needed for the 5th gen so Zeta was beefed up thus called Zeta II. If anything, the Zeta II was overbuilt for the 5th gen which caused it to incure the weight penalty that we all know.

[QUOTEThe 6th gen is engineered using modern computers and it's strength was tested in theory long before the first plate of steel was stamped or welded. Speaking of welding, look at the weld points on a 4th gen compared to a 6th gen. Hand welding with lead or robotic precision laser welding? Hmmm I wonder what results in better stiffness and quality

Hand welding was discontinued after 1st gen F-body production ended in '69. The 2nd gen, 3rd gen and 4th gen were all welded together using robots. Lead was used on the 2nd and 3rd gens due to their "seamless" quarter panel construction. The 5th gen went to a channel type interface between body panels with plastic trim on the roof covering the quarter panel interface joint.

The 6th gen uses a new laser welding process that offers a cleaner result which eliminates the need for a trim piece to cover the welded joint.

Modern computers were first used in the design of the 3rd gen back in the late '70's.[/QUOTE]


You totally missed the point.

No matter how "significantly" the 4th gen chassis was improved over the third gen, it was still a continuation of the third, still a rattle box after a few miles, and thus nowhere near the rigidity and strength of the 6th gen.

3rd and 4th gen F-bodies were all notoriously flimsy

And to say any computer from the 1970s is "modern" by today's standards is just ignorant.

[redcoats1976]

@ camaro5...just a question.so the 2015 car is based on zeta II,while the 2014 is zeta I?am i misunderstanding you or is this why my friend with the 2014 camaro RS,same trim level as mine,noticed that my car sits slightly lower than his?inquiring minds want to know...BTW i dont get the hate between gen 5 and gen 6 owners.if the 2016s had left the 6 cylinder as the base engine i might be driving one today.

[VAZL1]

Originally Posted by Bigdog9586

Only problems I've had is I catch my foot on the hood opener popping it at least once a week.
Second problem is when it rains the left blind spot monitor blinks on and off when there isn't a thing in sight. I mean on a freeway and nothing across from the left side for over a hundred yards.
Third thing is when cold engine runs rough and tranny shifts funny sometimes.

The first one, seriously.

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by VAZL1

The first one, seriously.

I don't even see how this happens, and I have fairly large feet (size 13). Guess it's a clutch thing, which I don't have.

The engine does run a bit rough until it warms up though. Seems like it misses every few seconds.

[Bigdog9586]

Mine is automatic. It happens only when getting out and I guess I'm swinging my leg wrong.