[SSport16]

Originally Posted by HyperSmurf

I just picked up my car from the dealer after a successful tune and it made a NOTICEABLE difference in acceleration and sound. It idles fantastic and has much better throttle response in comparison to no tune. It took the dealership 48 hours as they had to wait for the specialized code to be created from my VIN. I am thoroughly impressed with the smoothness of the process and how the team at Chevy handled it. More information to come when I have more time to drive the car.

The zl1 was an M6 and gorgeous as ever.

Very interesting...really want this, if there is a difference in sound and performance, while still keeping my warranty,might have to bite on this one.

[LT4Greg]

Glad it worked out for you HyperSmurf!! Enjoy and have fun with your Camaro!

[kutaram]

Mine comes in today

[HyperSmurf]

I got my car back yesterday with a successful tune! The tune made a noticible difference from having just the intake installed. It got even louder, my idle balanced out and throttle seems more responsive. The tune took 48 hours, as the dealership was waiting for GM engineers to get back to them with the specialized tune code that comes off the vehicles VIN. I am very impressed with the smoothness of the process!

[SS Life]

Originally Posted by HyperSmurf

I got my car back yesterday with a successful tune! The tune made a noticible difference from having just the intake installed. It got even louder, my idle balanced out and throttle seems more responsive. The tune took 48 hours, as the dealership was waiting for GM engineers to get back to them with the specialized tune code that comes off the vehicles VIN. I am very impressed with the smoothness of the process!

That's awesome I would love to see it on a dyno

[drivingagain]

I wonder if you add the chevrolet heads and cam package with this intake and tune would it work out well? Maybe even with the right dealer keep your warranty? Hit 500whp with out e85. lol maybe to optimistic on that.

[HyperSmurf]

I actually struck up this conversation with my performance parts dealer and told them that's my goal. (cam and heads next) he said that as of now the thing holding the warranty back is that a tune has not yet* been developed. He indicated that hopping up cars isn't GMs main priority, but engineers are dabbling with the idea. Who knows, but we can hope. I think I'm going to slap on some kooks headers and stainless works exhaust and see what happens

[drivingagain]

Originally Posted by HyperSmurf

I just picked up my car from the dealer after a successful tune and it made a NOTICEABLE difference in acceleration and sound. It idles fantastic and has much better throttle response in comparison to no tune. It took the dealership 48 hours as they had to wait for the specialized code to be created from my VIN. I am thoroughly impressed with the smoothness of the process and how the team at Chevy handled it. More information to come when I have more time to drive the car.

A lot of people are saying that the tune is only for emissions, but I'd strongly say otherwise. The car absolutely feels like it's putting down more power. I did a quick run back from work and was spinning the tires up through 60mph..... I'm gonna try to hit a DYNO this week.

The zl1 was an M6 and gorgeous as ever.

Thank you for keeping us updated. Really need a dyno before and after to see the results. Although if you get your car dynoed and show the afr it may help see a difference. Still very interesting.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by HyperSmurf

I actually struck up this conversation with my performance parts dealer and told them that's my goal. (cam and heads next) he said that as of now the thing holding the warranty back is that a tune has not yet* been developed. He indicated that hopping up cars isn't GMs main priority, but engineers are dabbling with the idea. Who knows, but we can hope. I think I'm going to slap on some kooks headers and stainless works exhaust and see what happens

Given the fact they couldn't even develope a simple emissions tune for a CAI for all states, I don't put much faith in them ever doing the same for heads/cam. Especially considering FCA could get the 800hp Demon to pass emissions but GM couldn't do better than 650hp for the LT4

[F1FTY]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Given the fact they couldn't even develope a simple emissions tune for a CAI for all states, I don't put much faith in them ever doing the same for heads/cam. Especially considering FCA could get the 800hp Demon to pass emissions but GM couldn't do better than 650hp for the LT4

I don't think you understand how emissions compliance works to be saying any of this.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by F1FTY

I don't think you understand how emissions compliance works to be saying any of this.

No I really don't, just my perception. Hopefully the intake does get CARB certified if it's just waiting on paperwork. But it makes me wonder how FCA was able to get more power and pass emissions when they had to detune it to pass back in '14. Meanwhile GM has to drop the NA motor for the ZO6 due to not being able to hit the power target and pass.

So do you have any insight to add?

Edit: This is what got me curious. Was posted earlier in the thread.

Originally Posted by JaxChris

The intake is illegal in all CARB states. I posted in the previous GM Intake threads that GM had already failed certification twice and can't get an EO. If they did fail a third time, that can spell trouble. GM should've let the product die.

Let's just say I'm going to feel really bad for owners in emission tested states when their new car exemption expires. Hope your vehicle is still completely stock then so you have recourse options.

The intake isn't going to change, but don't you find it strange they are promising the future models will be compliant for something as simple as an intake? Take it however you want -- but CARB is now curious about the fitness of the GenV SBC's in their current deployments.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by HyperSmurf

I got my car back yesterday with a successful tune! The tune made a noticible difference from having just the intake installed. It got even louder, my idle balanced out and throttle seems more responsive. The tune took 48 hours, as the dealership was waiting for GM engineers to get back to them with the specialized tune code that comes off the vehicles VIN. I am very impressed with the smoothness of the process!

Apparently something has changed here since I last looked at this thread. when I left off, it was said that this product was only for 2017+ Camaros due to GM not having a tune yet for the 2016 models.

So I'm assuming since yours is a 2016 that has changed? I'm guessing the part numbers between 2016 and 2017 are different.

EDIT: OK...so I read back a few pages and got caught up. lol. Same part numbers for both. Thanks.

Looking forward to seeing more reviews.

[SSport16]

Originally Posted by HyperSmurf

I actually struck up this conversation with my performance parts dealer and told them that's my goal. (cam and heads next) he said that as of now the thing holding the warranty back is that a tune has not yet* been developed. He indicated that hopping up cars isn't GMs main priority, but engineers are dabbling with the idea. Who knows, but we can hope. I think I'm going to slap on some kooks headers and stainless works exhaust and see what happens

Would be nice for a GM tune with a package like that and keep your warranty! I would be all over that, as I am sure a lot of too would!

[F1FTY]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

No I really don't, just my perception. Hopefully the intake does get CARB certified if it's just waiting on paperwork. But it makes me wonder how FCA was able to get more power and pass emissions when they had to detune it to pass back in '14. Meanwhile GM has to drop the NA motor for the ZO6 due to not being able to hit the power target and pass.

So do you have any insight to add?

Edit: This is what got me curious. Was posted earlier in the thread.

Ok, no worries. Here it is from a high level and I'm probably leaving steps out because I worked in product planning and not the emissions compliance side of the house.

If you want to make any engine changes that impact emissions, you must go through a lot of paperwork, validation and spend millions of dollars to get the government tests performed. Ever wonder why mid-cycle horsepower increases are relatively rare? The price tag can range up to $50 million dollars to get the testing and approvals done. Depending on the size of the changes, tests required, etc this could cost less or more. Now you need to factor that into a business case for how many more units you could sell at X profit margin to cover the cost to comply and be certified under these federal regulations.

That's for the 37 states. To then be CARB compliant, you must also submit vehicles for testing to them and another bucket of money. Think of this in terms of engineering hours, project costs, cost of materials and design as well as legal manhours preparing paperwork and that's before you even get to the state or federal officials for their testing and certification.

Once you get to CARB or Federal, you are then on their timeline. If you've done your homework and it's a simple change, you may get it processed in 6 months...or it could take over a year (which I believe is what happened with CARB and this intake).

Now if TJay is correct (and I don't doubt him), then this intake and calibration failed to meet CARB standards (which are above and beyond the federal level). This means all that work needs to be looked over, then resubmitted at extra cost to GM/Chevy. CARB has different requirements than federal for intake systems and that needs to be taken into account at the design phase. I'm not sure if the CAI as presented does that.

Since I didn't work for GM or Chevy, I don't know what their internal hurdle rate is on engineering projects or what their expected project timeline is, etc etc etc but I'd imagine that after awhile you don't want to keep putting money after bad and this can cause more delays than sales revenue would be worth.

So we have a mix of the business case reality along with several stops along the journey for certification and compliance that OEMs must go through in order to be allowed to sell the part or vehicle in the US.

It's convoluted, ripe for errors and not as simple as making a tune, attaching a sniffer to an exhaust pipe and saying it's good to sell.

If someone closer to emissions compliance from an OEM wants to add or correct me, please do. I just wasn't close enough to provide much more details.