[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

But the posts you speak of were not on this site. It was on the Rustang6g site. He was not rude, he was not ignorant to you on this site. So you saying he was ignorant as a greeting ("Hello Ignorant individual ") was rude and ignorant and out of context on this site.

If you would have posted it on the stang site, it would make sense, and I am sure you did.

Yup, thanks man!! He is mad because of the bad things I said about the GT350R. The only criticisms I gave to the owners is that they paid ADM for the cars. All my negative comments were directed towards Mustangs in general and all based on the performance aspects of it, ADM, and depreciation. And nothing I said was a lie or made up...although I did express my opinion that the GT350R is a "POS"...lol. But again, what does he care how I feel about the GT350R? He bought it, he thought it was a good deal, he claims he loves it or whatever, that is all that should matter. I don't care if Mustang guys, Import guys, Dodge guys, or anyone else has anything negative to say about my ZL1. So what if they don't like it. I certainly won't start a profile on their forum to argue with them because I don't care. And, the ZL1 gets trashed over there much worse than anything negative I said about the GT350R over here. You don't see me running over there to combat them because I don't care, lol!!

[J_MaherAMG]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

Here is the real ranking that I think we all know is true...if it is on the internet, then it is true correct? lol.

This is old news I know, but, driving mine yesterday does make me feel good. Don't care what anyone says about "feelings" or stats.

http://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/camaro-zl1

Hey man if you're happy with your car that is all that matters! It's what I've said from the beginning!

Originally Posted by kwav8r

If you want to get technical...

As to point A. No, its not. Incidentally, Lingenfelter made a flat plane engine in 2010-2011.

B. That is also untrue. Lingenfelter's was 358 CID or 5.8 L

C. I don't think you can claim this either, unless of course you're psychic but even then I don't think it's true.

While I will give you the FPC is unique in an American Production Car, I think a lot of people are falling for the hype. So, unless Ford figured out how to beat the likes of Ferrari, Porsche, and others who have been making FPCs for decades in the span of a couple (three?) years of engineering and development, I'd say it's a bit too soon to call it a winner. The extra crankshaft mass, to offset vibration, could be an Achilles heal at higher RPM.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/flat-...ed-stephen-kim

Time will tell with how long the engine holds up under normal everyday use. Until then this car could go either way in the history books.

I am glad you are enjoying your car though, that's what we all really want.

Before last fall, I wasn't aware the Lingenfelter engine exists. A local friend of mine has an 1100+whp lingenfelter C6 Vette, and he was showing me some videos of it. Awesome engine as well, but I don't if it can be "counted" considering it isn't a production engine and was more of an experiment really.

I honestly don't think Ford will produce another FPC V8, and the supercar makers who specialize in these have gone turbocharged, and I don't think Porsche will do another as they seem to enjoy doing 1 run of very special engines and then never repeating them (Carrera GT V10, 918 FPC V8, etc.). The compromises are certainly known, and considering the size of the thing, there are certainly a number of drawbacks that become apparent regardless of how many benefits.

And very valid points considering high mileage units. Nobody knows as of right now, but for me it isn't a daily driver and mileage will remain fairly low. I work on a rotation (14/7), so given that 6 months of the year is "summer" per se, and I'm away for 2/3's of that time, I only get maybe 8 weeks of the year to use the car haha

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

It is not an FPC, but anyone can take the base Mustang and turn it into a pseudo GT350 for a lot less....rip out the back seat, 8000+ rpm screamer, with a lot more horsepower.

http://performance.ford.com/enthusia...te-engine.html

The aluminator is a great crate engine, but you're missing a couple key points here. One, is that the crate engine doesn't have to meet any emissions regulations whatsoever, as they are deemed for "offroad use". Secondly, it doesn't have to meet any of the same internal durability testing requirements that a production engine does. Ford doesn't care if a crate engine can't last for 200K miles for example, as they are all about max performance.

Uncork the Voodoo similarly and you would be looking at more hp than the XS. The Aluminator absolutely does rev and make good power, but the benefits of the FPC are more hp at higher rpms; same crank in the XS and it would make more power again.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yet you guys over there keep talking about how much you all love your GT350Rs and how everyone is soo in love with them and how they are soo awesome that people gladly overpay for them and how ZL1s don't sell unless there are discounts and how the ZL1 is nothing special and will depreciate and blah blah blah...

I made a post on the stang site when I sold my GT350 and bought my ZL1 comparing the two on objective facts of speed on corners and such, and the fanboys came out in droves slamming me personally and saying how the ZL1 is butt ugly and cannot see out of the back window. That is just what they do over there. They are not tolerant of GM at all. That's ok, the Camaro forum does not care(not too much) what you drive.

So what did they do, they deleted my post and banned me after one post. I am sure Upchuck Canuck knows all about it since he posted insults and he is still sticking to how he is with insults over here.

As far as I can tell the Rustang6g fanboys are really sophomoric when it comes to intelligence and the Camaro guys really have a higher level of education.

[J_MaherAMG]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

She taught me smart money mechanics. Didn't your mama ever teach you not to spend $5,000 more than you have to? Don't answer that, we all know she didn't.

And you're sitting here calling me ignorant because what? Because I called you out on paying ADM which you did? Because I praised the ZL1 for beating the GT350R in every performance category which it did? What exactly did I say that makes me "ignorant"? What did I say that got you soo heated that you not only went over to YOUR site to talk trash about me, but then came over here, started a profile, and then proceeded to insult me here? LOL!! What does it matter what I think about your GT350R? You proudly talk about how you paid $5,000 above MSRP and you'd do it all over again and you could have bought a Viper and a Z06 for that money...yet what I say matters soo much that you started a profile to bang heads with me? Yet you guys over there keep talking about how much you all love your GT350Rs and how everyone is soo in love with them and how they are soo awesome that people gladly overpay for them and how ZL1s don't sell unless there are discounts and how the ZL1 is nothing special and will depreciate and blah blah blah...I personally wouldn't even pay MSRP for a GT350R BTW. But what does my opinion matter to you man? LOL, I don't really care, I'm just pointing out the kind of person you are.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yup, thanks man!! He is mad because of the bad things I said about the GT350R. The only criticisms I gave to the owners is that they paid ADM for the cars. All my negative comments were directed towards Mustangs in general and all based on the performance aspects of it, ADM, and depreciation. And nothing I said was a lie or made up...although I did express my opinion that the GT350R is a "POS"...lol. But again, what does he care how I feel about the GT350R? He bought it, he thought it was a good deal, he claims he loves it or whatever, that is all that should matter. I don't care if Mustang guys, Import guys, Dodge guys, or anyone else has anything negative to say about my ZL1. So what if they don't like it. I certainly won't start a profile on their forum to argue with them because I don't care. And, the ZL1 gets trashed over there much worse than anything negative I said about the GT350R over here. You don't see me running over there to combat them because I don't care, lol!!

"I don't care."

See what I did there? I think that is ignorant, and the same way you responded to me. It is that type of mannerism that I don't like and I think is rude. To be 100% fair, I apologize for singling you per se over on the "other side". It absolutely isn't just you, but I happened to read your comments saying that the car was pathetic and a POS and yes it rubbed me the wrong way at the time. Not in the way that it makes me think any less of my car, but in the sense that I guess I just expect better of people. I've never seen a reason to call anyone's car a POS or to bash what others own, as it's just not good nature. Maybe I was a little off that day for naming you, and for that I apologize, as I wasn't keeping in line with my own beliefs.

Some of your points I actually agree with. I've never been a fan of the ADM stuff, and didn't have much choice where I live. But I'm not sure how you "called me out" on it, as I never pretended to get the car for MSRP, and I certainly wasn't bragging or boasting speaking about it. I very simply explained what I paid and the why. To be quite frank, over the course of my career over the next 25-30 years, $5000 is simply inconsequential. It never affected my life in any way and was still well within my means. I don't know if I'll be here next year, as anything could happen, so I don't see the benefit in worrying about it. Chances are it is the only car like this I'll ever buy as I have other priorities, so I knew I had to be certain when buying. The fact that I was willing to pay that little bit more, and now don't regret it at all, confirms to me that I made the right choice. If I felt regret at this time, I would know that I made a mistake in my car choice.

And yes sir, I would do it again if I had the time back, and don't regret my decision. I'm not here saying BTW that the R is a better sports car than the Z06 or the Viper, as those cars are in an entirely different league, but it IS a better fit for me personally based on what I like in a car. Just as a GT4 would still be a better fit for me than those 2 even though it is that much slower again.

And that's great if you don't care, but you should. There isn't any reason at all for different groups of enthusiasts to be hating on each others cars, to be spewing "troll" nonsense whenever someone is on a forum of a car they don't own. It just separates groups of people who all love cars for no reason. You don't have to go defend your car over there, because myself and many others do it for you, just as I've seen a number of real enthusiasts discuss both cars in here. I don't see anything at all wrong with the Camaro or ZL1, I might prefer the car I have, but doesn't mean I can't enjoy and respect the "competition". The whole "I don't care" attitude works in the short run man, but everyone is a little better off when they look out for each other rather than only caring about oneself, just sayin.

[J_MaherAMG]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

I made a post on the stang site when I sold my GT350 and bought my ZL1 comparing the two on objective facts of speed on corners and such, and the fanboys came out in droves slamming me personally and saying how the ZL1 is butt ugly and cannot see out of the back window. That is just what they do over there. They are not tolerant of GM at all. That's ok, the Camaro forum does not care(not too much) what you drive.

So what did they do, they deleted my post and banned me after one post. I am sure Upchuck Canuck knows all about it since he posted insults and he is still sticking to how he is with insults over here.

As far as I can tell the Rustang6g fanboys are really sophomoric when it comes to intelligence and the Camaro guys really have a higher level of education.

No matter what forum you go on you'll always get dedicated fanboys of a certain brand or model.

Can you show me where I "insulted" you? I might have responded to you over there once or twice, but I don't recall you posting anything towards me such that would warrant any insults. The only 2 people I've directly insulted was "MCarsFan" who came on bragging about how much more money he had, and another guy who called some group of people "bums" because they weren't as well off as he.

Trying to say any group of car owners are more intelligent than another is just silly. Come on man, you and at least one other don't understand what context means, how intelligent can you be I know you had a bad experience with Ford, and it's clearly tainted you because you are against them 100% in every way. And it's unfortunate really, because the big 3 are all like that sometimes, they largely don't care if they piss off or lose 1 customer as there are 2 others who were pissed off by the competitors that they can gain back.

[unavailablezl1]

Upchuck Canuck's idea of not paying too much in ADM.....This must have been a GT350R buyer that wanted one of each...

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...DUCTION-206771

[J_MaherAMG]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

Upchuck Canuck's idea of not paying too much in ADM.....This must have been a GT350R buyer that wanted one of each...

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...DUCTION-206771

Are you 5? What's with the constant petty nicknames?

Considering you never actually respond to what someone says, and posts nonsensical lines like above, if anyone here is a "troll" it is you..

Grow up.

[unavailablezl1]

I think it is funny when someone says something and as the old saying goes, "they are really asking for it!" and when they get it; they don't like it.

[J_MaherAMG]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

I think it is funny when someone says something and as the old saying goes, "they are really asking for it!" and when they get it; they don't like it.

I think its more funny that someone who claims to be so intelligent has to resort to childish BS. I haven't insulted you, I haven't made any wild claims, I've merely debated a topic with you and others. You choose not to actually respond to anything I say, so it stands to reason that logically you have no answer, you have no rebuttal, and keep posting nonsense rather than discussing something like an adult.

I don't know why you keep feeling the need "call names" or add nicknames whatever you want to call it. Are you afraid to actually converse with someone of real intelligence

[ST1LE]

Come on guys, can we please stop this back and forth? Can we all just be the bigger man and stop responding to trolling posts being made by many?

It's cars guys, lets get back to enjoying them and our lives!!!

[kttxz06]

I swear, thePill keeps having offspring.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by J_MaherAMG

"I don't care."

See what I did there? I think that is ignorant, and the same way you responded to me. It is that type of mannerism that I don't like and I think is rude. To be 100% fair, I apologize for singling you per se over on the "other side". It absolutely isn't just you, but I happened to read your comments saying that the car was pathetic and a POS and yes it rubbed me the wrong way at the time. Not in the way that it makes me think any less of my car, but in the sense that I guess I just expect better of people. I've never seen a reason to call anyone's car a POS or to bash what others own, as it's just not good nature. Maybe I was a little off that day for naming you, and for that I apologize, as I wasn't keeping in line with my own beliefs.

Some of your points I actually agree with. I've never been a fan of the ADM stuff, and didn't have much choice where I live. But I'm not sure how you "called me out" on it, as I never pretended to get the car for MSRP, and I certainly wasn't bragging or boasting speaking about it. I very simply explained what I paid and the why. To be quite frank, over the course of my career over the next 25-30 years, $5000 is simply inconsequential. It never affected my life in any way and was still well within my means. I don't know if I'll be here next year, as anything could happen, so I don't see the benefit in worrying about it. Chances are it is the only car like this I'll ever buy as I have other priorities, so I knew I had to be certain when buying. The fact that I was willing to pay that little bit more, and now don't regret it at all, confirms to me that I made the right choice. If I felt regret at this time, I would know that I made a mistake in my car choice.

And yes sir, I would do it again if I had the time back, and don't regret my decision. I'm not here saying BTW that the R is a better sports car than the Z06 or the Viper, as those cars are in an entirely different league, but it IS a better fit for me personally based on what I like in a car. Just as a GT4 would still be a better fit for me than those 2 even though it is that much slower again.

And that's great if you don't care, but you should. There isn't any reason at all for different groups of enthusiasts to be hating on each others cars, to be spewing "troll" nonsense whenever someone is on a forum of a car they don't own. It just separates groups of people who all love cars for no reason. You don't have to go defend your car over there, because myself and many others do it for you, just as I've seen a number of real enthusiasts discuss both cars in here. I don't see anything at all wrong with the Camaro or ZL1, I might prefer the car I have, but doesn't mean I can't enjoy and respect the "competition". The whole "I don't care" attitude works in the short run man, but everyone is a little better off when they look out for each other rather than only caring about oneself, just sayin.

It seems to me that you're trying to tome it down a bit and in the spirit of keeping things cordial I will try to tone it down as well. But I will say this...my reply when I said "I don't care", I said that because you went over to another site calling me out, then came over here, opened an account, and immediately came after me...with your first comment being an insult. And then followed up with a question about how my "momma" raised me...which you followed up with another insult about it being a "rhetorical question" and that you know the answer. For the record, I am 40 years old, I was raised by both of my religious parents who are married and still together...I am a college educated health care professional. The things I say about a Mustang has NO reflection on how I was raised. So let me say that I do not feel insulted, but you did try to insult me and I noticed that. And then you tried to play the victim and act all innocent and put on a show like the Mustang boys over there are completely civilized gentlemen. Trust me, we all have seen your posts and the things you say about us. I don't pretend to not have negative things to say and I don't care if you try to throw dirt my way. But don't throw dirt and act like your hands are clean.

I will add...I don't like the GT350R. I do like the Mustang GT tho...despite it's performance deficit compared to the SS. I don't like that dealerships take advantage of people who want the GT350R...and I hate that people are willing to allow themselves to be taken advantage of. But it isn't my money so I have no say in it. I would never insult a person's car. When I said the GT350R was a "POS", I wasn't talking about anyone's car in particular. I was saying that the price of it, along with the ADM, and the fact that it is stripped of certain creature comforts and still couldn't beat the fully optioned ZL1...along with it being a $65K car (MSRP) that only does a 12.2 in the quarter...all those factors makes it highly undesirable to me. And I said that was my personal feeling towards it. Now I get that it isn't a straight line car. But you Mustang guys called the Hellcat a "one trick pony) because it is a straight line car and doesn't corner well. But you defend the GT350R for being good in the corners and not soo good in a straight line. So the GT350R is just as much of a "one trick pony" as the Hellcat. Plus you Stang guys made fun of the HC guys for ADM yet you turned around and did the same thing. And furthermore, at least the HC had full options. See where I'm going with all this? Those are the reasons I detest the GT350R as much as I do. It is nothing personal and I would never insult an owner to their face. Outside of all that, they are nice and they look nice.

And I was an enthusiast. But I've started to gravitate towards Chevy since Ford hasn't been putting up much of a fight. Maybe things will change. If so then I'll be back in the middle. But until then I am more towards Chevy. But coming from your site where you guys sat for all those months talking about how we overpaid for our Camaros and how we were getting beaten in sales figures and all the other trash y'all talked, you can't really come over here preaching peace. Especially when other guys over there who were enthusiasts constantly got bashed by your purists and loyalists whenever they tried to make objective comments that didn't favor the Mustang. Heck right now you and a few other guys have been bashing a ZL1 owner in your thread over there. Don't expect us to not do the same.

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

I made a post on the stang site when I sold my GT350 and bought my ZL1 comparing the two on objective facts of speed on corners and such, and the fanboys came out in droves slamming me personally and saying how the ZL1 is butt ugly and cannot see out of the back window. That is just what they do over there. They are not tolerant of GM at all. That's ok, the Camaro forum does not care(not too much) what you drive.

So what did they do, they deleted my post and banned me after one post. I am sure Upchuck Canuck knows all about it since he posted insults and he is still sticking to how he is with insults over here.

As far as I can tell the Rustang6g fanboys are really sophomoric when it comes to intelligence and the Camaro guys really have a higher level of education.

Priceless! Those stupid, intolerant Mustang people.

[J_MaherAMG]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

It seems to me that you're trying to tome it down a bit and in the spirit of keeping things cordial I will try to tone it down as well. But I will say this...my reply when I said "I don't care", I said that because you went over to another site calling me out, then came over here, opened an account, and immediately came after me...with your first comment being an insult. And then followed up with a question about how my "momma" raised me...which you followed up with another insult about it being a "rhetorical question" and that you know the answer. For the record, I am 40 years old, I was raised by both of my religious parents who are married and still together...I am a college educated health care professional. The things I say about a Mustang has NO reflection on how I was raised. So let me say that I do not feel insulted, but you did try to insult me and I noticed that. And then you tried to play the victim and act all innocent and put on a show like the Mustang boys over there are completely civilized gentlemen. Trust me, we all have seen your posts and the things you say about us. I don't pretend to not have negative things to say and I don't care if you try to throw dirt my way. But don't throw dirt and act like your hands are clean.

I will add...I don't like the GT350R. I do like the Mustang GT tho...despite it's performance deficit compared to the SS. I don't like that dealerships take advantage of people who want the GT350R...and I hate that people are willing to allow themselves to be taken advantage of. But it isn't my money so I have no say in it. I would never insult a person's car. When I said the GT350R was a "POS", I wasn't talking about anyone's car in particular. I was saying that the price of it, along with the ADM, and the fact that it is stripped of certain creature comforts and still couldn't beat the fully optioned ZL1...along with it being a $65K car (MSRP) that only does a 12.2 in the quarter...all those factors makes it highly undesirable to me. And I said that was my personal feeling towards it. Now I get that it isn't a straight line car. But you Mustang guys called the Hellcat a "one trick pony) because it is a straight line car and doesn't corner well. But you defend the GT350R for being good in the corners and not soo good in a straight line. So the GT350R is just as much of a "one trick pony" as the Hellcat. Plus you Stang guys made fun of the HC guys for ADM yet you turned around and did the same thing. And furthermore, at least the HC had full options. See where I'm going with all this? Those are the reasons I detest the GT350R as much as I do. It is nothing personal and I would never insult an owner to their face. Outside of all that, they are nice and they look nice.

And I was an enthusiast. But I've started to gravitate towards Chevy since Ford hasn't been putting up much of a fight. Maybe things will change. If so then I'll be back in the middle. But until then I am more towards Chevy. But coming from your site where you guys sat for all those months talking about how we overpaid for our Camaros and how we were getting beaten in sales figures and all the other trash y'all talked, you can't really come over here preaching peace. Especially when other guys over there who were enthusiasts constantly got bashed by your purists and loyalists whenever they tried to make objective comments that didn't favor the Mustang. Heck right now you and a few other guys have been bashing a ZL1 owner in your thread over there. Don't expect us to not do the same.

To be honest, after re-reading my original post and comments I feel a little ashamed. I apologize for my comments towards you, and hope you will accept it, as they weren't fair. I try to be reasonable at all times, but I guess sometimes emotions can get the best of me and I don't think before I speak so to say. That doesn't excuse what I said or make it ok, but I do recognize mistakes when I make them. It was also nice to get a little insight as to your personal life, and as a health care professional I can conclude that you are a better person than I gave you credit for, and for that I apologize as well.

I can see why it wouldn't be a desirable car for you, and don't blame you for not liking it. I also agree that it could be considered just as much of a "one trick pony" as the Hellcat, as it certainly isn't breaking any drag racing records. To be 100% honest, when I bought my R, I have said to my father numerous times (who has a 15 Z51 Vette that I helped him spec), that his car has far more to offer in terms of comfort, build quality, interior materials, etc. and that for the amount I paid for my R it should have some aspects of the interior upgraded compared to the basic models.

In terms of the trash-talking and other facets, I have never been a party to that stuff. I've never been a Mustang fan really, have never considered buying one or owning one until this car. I wouldn't have been around when they poked fun at Hellcat ADM's, hell I wasn't aware that they also had to deal with that. From the outside it seems Ford is perfectly happy selling the inferior car in terms of performance, the only they care about is money really. They sell a slightly lower performing car for a little cheaper, and from the sales figures it looks like the lower price probably makes the difference. Those of us on the forums are the enthusiasts, but there are tons of buyers out there for almost all cars who just want to get something to be seen in, or just to cruise around in who don't care at all about just how capable even the 5.0 and SS are nowadays.

I've always been an enthusiast, and love cars with a passion. If I had enough money I would be like clone of Jay Leno... LOL I know some of the guys are giving that one fella a hard time, but I don't mind his posts as I've mentioned numerous times. If someone can debate and discuss different cars without getting too heated, I don't mind that one bit as it makes things interesting!

Cheers!