[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

True, but if you watch the first zl1 video that Probst drove, he hit the corners much better and carried more speed through them then this latest video. Many spots he was 3mph slower in this latest video then the last. So it shows the zl1 can be driven much quicker then these latest results.

No, it shows the track conditions weren't the same. You aren't going to get a better comparison than what they did. Same driver (professional), same conditions, same day, back to back.

Something else to keep in mind here is, on top of the already huge HP advantage the ZL1 has, this particular track is at ~2500 feet elevation. Elevation changes are much more detrimental to NA vehicles than FI ones. If this course was closer to sea level, these two would be even closer.

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

True, but if you watch the first zl1 video that Probst drove, he hit the corners much better and carried more speed through them then this latest video. Many spots he was 3mph slower in this latest video then the last. So it shows the zl1 can be driven much quicker then these latest results.

Different days different track conditions, different cars.

Its funny, everyone seems to be on board with 'the conditions' regarding a 1/4 time, but not so much with a road course. The wind could have put a fine layer of dust on the track, the track could have been warmer or colder, a car could have puked it coolant on one of the turns a week ago. To take the analogy further, street tires vs drag tires, is the same as street tires vs track tires.

I don't think a professional driver is sandbagging, these guys are so competitive, I don't think they can (unless its benefits them in a qualifying situation or something).

[BlaqWhole]

Still tho, Camaro won what matters and that was the race!! LOL!! On a longer track the difference will be much more pronounced.

[unavailablezl1]

The ZL1 ran a 1:26:15 and that run time isn't going away to be replaced by the slower time. The Mustang Fanboys can always go back and try and get a better time

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Still tho, Camaro won what matters and that was the race!! LOL!! On a longer track the difference will be much more pronounced.

Also true

[flyinlow]

When it comes down to money, a foxbody is going to wipe the floor with everything when it comes to $$/performance.

As long as it has an LS motor in it

[Snakedriver]

At the end of the day the ZL1 outperforms the R in every way possible. The ZL1 1LE will destroy both cars on a road course. In 2019 Ford will most likely release the GT500 with 750HP with the same formula as the current Shelby GT350 and it will be a monster. So GM will need a 750HP track focused Z28 to compete with it.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Still tho, Camaro won what matters and that was the race!! LOL!! On a longer track the difference will be much more pronounced.

And on a shorter track, it's quite possible the GT350R would win. On an autocross course, a miata would kick both their asses.

[NicD]

Not sure why so many people on here are taking an entertaining video so seriously just because the hosts picked the Mustang instead of the Camaro. Oh no, they had a different opinion than you! Personally I'm fine having the faster and more refined car vs the slower yet more racy car.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by Snakedriver

At the end of the day the ZL1 outperforms the R in every way possible. The ZL1 1LE will destroy both cars on a road course. In 2019 Ford will most likely release the GT500 with 750HP with the same formula as the current Shelby GT350 and it will be a monster. So GM will need a 750HP track focused Z28 to compete with it.

It appears the the GT350R outperforms in the corners, and the ZL1 outer-performs in the straights. In this case, the ZL1 just has too much damn muscle for that track.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

I am glad someone else noticed that. We now live in a world where the high end version of the pony cars are zipping around a road course hanging and even besting the likes of Italian supercars, 911's, etc. If you told folks this not long ago they would have laughed so hard they would rupture their spleen.

It really is a victory for both brands, no question.

But it is still a tough comparison though, and here is why:

When I watched a Head2Head with the ATS-V vs. the C63 AMG, the ATS-V beat the Mercedes in every metric and they even said the Cadillac could be the best driving sports luxury coupe ever built, but still lost. And I agreed with the reasoning wholeheartedly. Their reasoning was that if a buyer was so fixated on tenths of a second differences, they would probably be buying a sports car rather than a sports luxury coupe, and the interior of the Cadillac was crappy. It has to be a good luxury car first, then be a great driving one second. The Mercedes did that, but the Cadillac did not.

But it's a bit of apples and oranges here. The GT350R is a dedicated track version of Ford's pony car (like the Z/28), but the ZL1 is a GT touring car (like the GT500). So, do you judge them by how well they go on a track, or how well they act as a GT car? Depending on what criteria you pick, you will get a different winner.

I really have no issue with them picking the GT350R. Under certain criteria, I would pick it as well. But, under other criteria, I would pick the ZL1. If you have no brand loyalty and like the looks of both cars, there are a ton of great choices to be had.

This was kind of like comparing ice cream vs. beer. They are both awesome, just different. Which one would I pick? BOTH!!

Damn...reading through all of these comments is like work. lol. I'm sure the Ford boys are pleased at the reaction of this forum.

Anyways...the comment above from many pages back....is perfect.

[psykod]

When talking price, I think they should be using street price and not msrp. It's hard to get a 350R for less than $80k (and often closer to $90k), but a ZL1 can be had at or below msrp all day long.

That makes the ZL1 much more appealing to me. I doubt even the 1LE will command a premium over msrp.

As much as I admire the 350R, I just can bring myself to cough up that much profit to the dealer.

[KMPrenger]

Oh...and just for fun I'm going to just quote my response in the other thread which had the KBB video of the ZL1 vs. the GT350R...it pretty much stands here.

I can't really argue with these results.

Basically...Mustang has a slight edge on extreme handling and feel. *Might* be able to carry a bit more speed in the turns. Also...the high revving engine and the noise (I'm not as in love with the exhaust as many people seem to be) makes it feel more exciting. Feeling means a lot, so I'm not dismissing that.

But overall, the Camaro does pretty much it all, better than the Mustang.

For a few grand more (MSRP) than the GT350R, the ZL1 1LE will best it in all categories. (well again...maybe except for the noise lol)

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by psykod

When talking price, I think they should be using street price and not msrp. It's hard to get a 350R for less than $80k (and often closer to $90k), but a ZL1 can be had at or below msrp all day long.

That makes the ZL1 much more appealing to me. I doubt even the 1LE will command a premium over msrp.

As much as I admire the 350R, I just can bring myself to cough up that much profit to the dealer.

Why would they? MSRP is the only way to compare. Some people have gotten the GT350R at MSRP. Some have gotten them for $5k over. Some have paid absurd admin markups. These all vary by location.

I can understand that makes the ZL1 more appealing to you, but for a direct comparison, it's not a metric that can be used...as it's far to variable.