[Mountain]

I guess red paint is worth 1.7 seconds, lol: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...e-squad-goals/

[unavailablezl1]

Now that everyone knows that the SS 1LE can tie the GT350R according to the H2H...Jesus!!

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=CAM

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Understand, but you have to remember....none of the head to heads are flat out "who's faster" comparisons. They are determining the better car (their opinion). Quite often, the slower car wins.

I understand that. But I still feel it is a slap in the face to the real winner and an insult to the loser.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

But they are "made up" reasons. No-one in here can tell how the Goodyears compare to the sport cup 2's, or what difference a tire swap would make. Likewise, it's crazy to call out Randy Pobst as not giving his all, or requesting that someone else drive the in a re-test

Maybe so. But rightly so. People feel offended. What did MT think was gonna happen?

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Don't get me wrong, I would likely chose a Zl1 over a GT...if not for the extra $30k.

The GT350 has the largest flat plane crank v8 in existence. It rev's to the effing moon and has a crazy broad powerband. The exhaust note is beyond belief. The engine is entirely different than the stock GT. It's something special because of it's engine.

Compare that to the Zl1 that has the same engine as the SS, albeit upgraded to handle the power. It's akin to slapping a supercharger on my GT. Same engine (relatively speaking), more power.

I picked the ZL1 because in comparison the GT350R had nothing I wanted. To me, it is just a higher-revving GT with a fanci-er engine and crazy suspension. It felt under-powered and I could not justify buying a 12 second car for over $60K when that same price could get me a used Viper, used C6 ZR1, new 1LZ Z06, or a new ZL1. Each of those cars will beat the GT350 at everything, destroy it in the quarter mile, and cost the same. So the GT350R really is a waste of money. It is fun, but it is a waste. As far as revving high, well it isn't doing anything different than any other DOHC engine. They rev high. Applauding it for something it does naturally is like applauding the LT4 for making crazy torque down low. ALL DOHC engines rev high. It is nothing new or special.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

8200 is nuts for a domestic V8.

As for the power-band, it is broad as hell, look at any dyno. The power-band isn't the entire curve, just the usable portion. Go back and look at the head to head and you'll notice the GT350 is able to hold the shifts longer throughout the entire course.

As for the interior, I'm sorry...I do hate the camaros. I hate the clawfoot instrument console and the slapped on nav screen. I hate the HVAC vents that blow on your damn nuts and hands. The seats look nice, but really that's it.

IMHO, I like the mustangs interior far better than the camaros...sorry. This of course should come as no surprise.

As for the cobras and gt500s...you're absolutely right. That's why the GT350 is that much more special. It has a unique, specially designed engine that is not found on any other vehicle.

The power band is nice and broad. But throw an aftermarket exhaust on and deal with that intense drone for more than a few thousand miles and you won't miss that car at all. Interior wise, the Mustang might be better due to better visibility. I'll give it a tie because I think they both have great interiors. But after a good few years when the seats in your Mustang look like a bobcat was locked in your car for 2 weeks you won't think so. The Camaro interior just feels much more durable to me. And again, I'm sorry but I do not think the GT350 is anything special. Not for the price when it either loses or gets destroyed by everything that costs the same amount of money.

[Infern0]

Originally Posted by 762CAT

This video seems relevant..and ironically draws the same conclusion Motor Trend did. ZL1 is better in every performance aspect but the GT350R feels like a magical unicorn. The closing comment seems very relevant to this thread. LMFAO.

That was actually good entertainment, and never tried to be anything more. To me that was done very well, and still "educational" to an extent. The bottom line at the end was boiled down to the minute differences.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I understand that. But I still feel it is a slap in the face to the real winner and an insult to the loser.

Agree to disagree, someone has to lose. There can be only one!



Maybe so. But rightly so. People feel offended. What did MT think was gonna happen?

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I picked the ZL1 because in comparison the GT350R had nothing I wanted. To me, it is just a higher-revving GT with a fanci-er engine and crazy suspension. It felt under-powered and I could not justify buying a 12 second car for over $60K when that same price could get me a used Viper, used C6 ZR1, new 1LZ Z06, or a new ZL1. Each of those cars will beat the GT350 at everything, destroy it in the quarter mile, and cost the same. So the GT350R really is a waste of money. It is fun, but it is a waste. As far as revving high, well it isn't doing anything different than any other DOHC engine. They rev high. Applauding it for something it does naturally is like applauding the LT4 for making crazy torque down low. ALL DOHC engines rev high. It is nothing new or special.

I still don't know where you are getting that the GT350 has a crazy suspension. It's the same suspension as the GT with some upgrades along with magenetic dampeners (similar to the ZL1).

The GT350 is not a 1/4 mile machine...it never was. If that is what's important to you, I can certainly understand your decision.

As for it's revving, I'm not sure how you're not enamored with the GT350. DOHC engine don't automatically rev to 8250 RPM. The stock GT is considered a fairly high revving machine at 7000. Hell, the GT350 is one of the highest revving production V8s ever made....but it's nothing new or special?

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The power band is nice and broad. But throw an aftermarket exhaust on and deal with that intense drone for more than a few thousand miles and you won't miss that car at all. Interior wise, the Mustang might be better due to better visibility. I'll give it a tie because I think they both have great interiors. But after a good few years when the seats in your Mustang look like a bobcat was locked in your car for 2 weeks you won't think so. The Camaro interior just feels much more durable to me. And again, I'm sorry but I do not think the GT350 is anything special. Not for the price when it either loses or gets destroyed by everything that costs the same amount of money.

There is nothing I have seen that says the Camaros interior will hold up any better than the mustangs. I'm not quite sure where you're getting your info.

[ULTRAZLS1]

So much for the chevytrend conspiracy lmao

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

No that everyone knows that the SS 1LE can tie the GT350R according to the H2H...Jesus!!

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=CAM

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[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Agree to disagree, someone has to lose. There can be only one!

Which is why I said in the beginning that I don't really care for the popularity part of it. MT guys say they like the GT350? Ok good for them. Every idiot has an opinion. Which one performed better? Oh the ZL1?! Ok that is what I wanna know. I'll take a loss in popularity if I'm better at everything else.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

I still don't know where you are getting that the GT350 has a crazy suspension. It's the same suspension as the GT with some upgrades along with magenetic dampeners (similar to the ZL1).

Compared to the GT and considering that it didn't get completely annihilated by the vastly more powerful ZL1 means that the suspension had to make up where the engine fell short. That is why I think it is pretty damn good. Unless the fact that the track wasn't too big played a key role. I mean, at Nurburgring the ZL1 was 3 seconds faster. But I'm saying that it is pretty good all things considered.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

The GT350 is not a 1/4 mile machine...it never was. If that is what's important to you, I can certainly understand your decision.

As for it's revving, I'm not sure how you're not enamored with the GT350. DOHC engine don't automatically rev to 8250 RPM. The stock GT is considered a fairly high revving machine at 7000. Hell, the GT350 is one of the highest revving production V8s ever made....but it's nothing new or special?

I know it wasn't built for the quarter mile. SHEESH man I only said it or inferred it like 5 times. But still I am talking about overall abilities and cost. To me, a car that costs well over $60K had better be faster than 12.2 in the quarter mile regardless of what it was built for. Look at all the cars that are built for circle tracks that are in the 11s. If someone thinks the GT350 is a good value then good for them but to me that thing is not worth the money. That is MY subjective add-on. MT should have thrown that in there.

And no, it isn't anything special because it is a DOHC engine and that is what they do. They rev high. I'm not impressed with anything Ford does and I haven't been since 2014. They made a nice looking GT I'll give them that. They put in features like a subwoofer, the heat extractor turn signals were nice, and a few other things. But overall they are getting killed and needed a pity "looks, feels, and specialness" win/pat on the back so that people who bought the GT350R wouldn't feel bad about their purchase. Guess what, if you want a faster more comfortable car with more potential for the same price, buy literally anything else that costs the same, lol!! I mean, people call the Hellcat a "one-trick pony" because it is a straight line car...well the GT350 is a one-trick pony too because it can corner damn well but is shitty everywhere else.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

There is nothing I have seen that says the Camaros interior will hold up any better than the mustangs. I'm not quite sure where you're getting your info.

Experience from the many Camaros and the many Mustangs I have owned over the years. Mustang seats do not hold up well at all. Neither does the paint.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

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And they probably only put the GT350 over the SS so that the GT350 owners would feel completely crappy, lol!!

[ZL1 1LE]

Originally Posted by KenB925

Gonna have to watch this tonight.

When the GT350 first came out I wanted one, I love the sound of the engine, and the fact that Ford had the balls to build it. But they didn't/don't seem to exist in the real world. That, and the 'cool' one, the R doesn't have a back seat, which is a deal breaker for me at the moment.

You can buy a matching back seat thru Ford Performance.

[ZL1 1LE]

Originally Posted by catdog

You can order the back seat back in and also the radio and a/c, they are options

I don't believe that the back seat is an available option but, it is available in the "aftermarket" via Ford Performance.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And they probably only put the GT350 over the SS so that the GT350 owners would feel completely crappy, lol!!

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by catdog

You can order the back seat back in and also the radio and a/c, they are options

i didn't know about the back seat, but still academic, they just weren't around

that's ok, i should get my zl1 really soon

[Diggitydog]

I watched the head to head. I love my ZL1, I enjoyed the episode, but they selected a rationalized winner in the face of better stats across the board. It's too composed, it's too smooth, it's too good, yet they picked the rough wild machine. Like a hot and crazy girlfriend.....fun for a while but not the choice for long-term. So many complaints about no torque on the low end. These guys had the voodoo wound up where it does work.
ZL1 wins here no matter what Johnny and Jason say.