[BH1]

Originally Posted by cleoent

....Jason and Johnny are entertainers. This video was awesome and entertaining. As with any subjective review, take it as that, not as fact.

Completely agree. I was entertained and like both cars for different reasons. That said, for what "I" want in a car, it's the ZL1. It makes the least compromises.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Granted, but they can't overstate them either. By itself, not really anything but just taking it with the disclaimer about wet driving leads one to believe the Cup 2 is closer to a true DOT slick. That has to give some advantage, but it could be tiny anyway. The GYs are more like an upgraded version of the ones on the SS. And if they were that great, why is there an even better version of the ZL1 1LE?

Like I said, how much difference is the big question, but I'm not subscribing to the idea it's the key factor. Weight and balance is probably the biggest hit on the ZL1.

I am assuming both cars were in Track Mode or maybe not. Did MT reveal the air pressure in the tires, the mode they were in. I would be interested to find out.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by 762CAT

Facts

1.) GT350R is the Racing version of the Shelby GT350, which would equate to the ZL1 1LE which unfortunately was unavailable for testing and testing the normal 350 vs the ZL1 would be a blowout of enormous proportions.

2.) Regular Camaro ZL1 beat said name 350R in every objective metric that does not involve opinion.

3.) It did so on non R compound tires.

4.) Real world you will never find a 350R under 100k dollars, manual ZL1s can be bought in the 50s.

Everything else is subjective opinions and like the A-holes who write them they all stink. So here is my stinky mess.

Victory for the ZL1 hands down. Motor Trends previous review on the car was that it walked or drove rather on water and it was the greatest fastest creation ever made. This one....it wasn't loud enough.....aaaaand that's about it. If the "regular" version of the ZL1 beats the Race version of the Mustang that says a lot. You can counter point and say the mustang is impressive for hanging with a car with more power but take them to VIR and say that or any track where that power gap will really show itself.

I know a few people with 350s and Hellcats and they all say the 350 is boring to drive, terrible in the low RPM range. Every single one of them recommended against buying one and that once you go supercharged and experience that power everything else will feel less exciting. I tend to agree. Having heard Zl1s in person BTW I'm surprised they thought so ill of the sound. I think they sound fantastic.

For 70k I'm still thinking the ZL1 1LE is going to be the best track car bargain on the planet. For high 50s low 60s the Zl1 is the best Muscle Car/Sports Car/Performance car/whatever you want to call it car buy for the money. I still like my Hellcat better due to personal preference and opinions but it's more money so I cannot say it's a better buy for the money.

Facts,

The GT350R is a naturally aspirated car that was barely edged out on the track by a track ready car with 124 more horsepower and 221 lb feet more torque.

Both car have track ready tires.

I see an epic meltdown coming when the GT500 finally makes it appearance.

The funny thing is, GM doesn’t really have a direct competitor to the GT350 or GT350R right now…so what we are left with are all of these oddball comparisons. One might argue the SS 1LE is more of a direct competitor, as they are both NA, but the 1LE doesn’t offer the extra wow factor by offering anything as different as the voodoo engine.

Anyway you cut it, the motortrend folk like the GT350R better than the Zl1. I personally would rather have the GT350R over the ZL1 any day of the week. I would also rather have a Zl1 over a standard GT, but really can’t justify spending the money.

[Mustang Fanboy]

I find it funny too that ya'll want to re-categorize their comparison to make the outcome more favorable.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

I am assuming both cars were in Track Mode or maybe not. Did MT reveal the air pressure in the tires, the mode they were in. I would be interested to find out.

Come on now, stop trying to find excuses.

[irmb]

I wonder how "special" all the GT350R fanbois feel after getting beat on the track and drag strip by a car that costs less and is more comfortable to drive?

[68fbjjz109]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

There won't be a Z/28 as long as GM lets Corvette dictate supercharged everything above the base V8. Until GM thinks Camaro is worth at least one of its own engines, Camaro will be forced to use what Corvette wants.

That may work out fine for the base V8, but it doesn't work for anything else. The ZL1 will come up short, and now the Z/28 is left out all together because of team Corvette's decisions.

There is a small displacement V8 in the works.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by irmb

I wonder how "special" all the GT350R fanbois feel after getting beat on the track and drag strip by a car that costs less and is more comfortable to drive?

They can afford the car, I'm pretty sure they are OK.

How do all of the Camaro fanboys feel when a cheap ragged out foxbody demolishes them at the drag strip? Kind of a silly argument as you can see.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

They can afford the car, I'm pretty sure they are OK.

How do all of the Camaro fanboys feel when a cheap ragged out foxbody demolishes them at the drag strip? Kind of a silly argument as you can see.

I mean no offense to you but with that name, I doubt many of the members are taking you very seriously.

Fact is, if you're (Motor Trend in this case) going to compare previous generations mustang to modern gen Camaro and you want to use the ZL1, then use the GT350 mustang or the GT500. As of now, there's actually no up to date competitor with the ZL1 and like you said, I see death for Camaro when and if Dodge makes a new/faster Hellcat and the GT500 has all the characteristics of the GT350 but with a Supercharger/Turbos. If it's a v6 it's an automatic loss tho IMO.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Come on now, stop trying to find excuses.

My comment has nothing to do with the GT350R and today's run. I was referring to the A10 and M6 ZL1 comparison on MT when Randy made them change the tire pressure in the cars to make the A10 come out on top when at first the M6 beat the A10.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

I find it funny too that ya'll want to re-categorize their comparison to make the outcome more favorable.

It looks like the Mustang FunnyBoy is running out of things to say.

[67Builder]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

I find it funny too that ya'll want to re-categorize their comparison to make the outcome more favorable.

Id say the outcome was pretty favorable.. The ZL1 won every section except the "feelz" from johnny and the other guy.

I don't need a re-categorization. They already did the proper head to head a while back in episode 71 with the last gen Z28 vs the new GT350R. Those are the right (direct competitors) cars to put up against each other.
When the GT500 comes out, a head 2 head with the ZL1 will be forthcoming. Again, those would be the correct cars to compare.

[unavailablezl1]

[QUOTE=Mustang Fanboy;9742262]Come on now, stop trying to find excuses.[/QUOTE

I am surprised you haven't called the Camaro butt ugly like you did on Mustang6g.

You lost, you just don't want to admit it.

Have you trolled enough?

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by 67Builder

Id say the outcome was pretty favorable.. The ZL1 won every section except the "feelz" from johnny and the other guy.

I don't need a re-categorization. They already did the proper head to head a while back in episode 71 with the last gen Z28 vs the new GT350R. Those are the right (direct competitors) cars to put up against each other.
When the GT500 comes out, a head 2 head with the ZL1 will be forthcoming. Again, those would be the correct cars to compare.

By that time, the ZL1 will have 800+ HP anyway and the GT500 will still lose and burn 1 quart of oil every 150 miles.