[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by ZL*Won

Whatevs. Beemer M is nowhere near the performance of this car. Pick your poison. And to somewhat disagree with my friend above, my A10 is an excellent daily driver. If you like to have fun Every Day.

Performance on the standard SS (not the 1LE, which isn't available on the 2SS trim until this coming model year) and the M3/M4 is pretty much a wash.

That's why I'm really only interested in the ZL1. There's no comparison there, of course. I'm fairly certain it would be a good daily too, if I could switch the tires out.

[MoreSpeed]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

Performance on the standard SS (not the 1LE, which isn't available on the 2SS trim until this coming model year) and the M3/M4 is pretty much a wash.

That's why I'm really only interested in the ZL1. There's no comparison there, of course. I'm fairly certain it would be a good daily too, if I could switch the tires out.

I find the ZL1 to be a good daily driver even with the 20" Wheels and 650 HP. It is very tame if you want it to be and a beast if you don't. Still I did a 650 Mile road trip and the seats were fabulous for the distance. The car is very compliant with the bumps. It does not beat you up at all. Heated seats, cooled seats, heated steering wheel, decent entertainment center all help.

Room is at a premium, but if it can fit what you take on your daily drive, it is perfect... and will keep a smile on your face.

Also no real concern for speed bumps and driveways, unlike with my GT3. That car wants to scrape on everything.

Ps. The only reason I am going with 19" is the greater selection in race rubber and in the winter, tires that can stand the cold.

[popsmk]

I can weigh in from an Audi perspective. I just came from a B8.5 Stage 2 Audi S4 making around 385 AWHP. Loved that car until the end - put over 111k miles on it in less than 5 years, tuned since 19k miles. Absolute rock star of a daily driver. I had heartache moving from a lineage of German autos to an American pony car...until I saw the ZL1.

This car is an order of magnitude different than anything the German manufacturers are doing at this price point. I look at an Audi RS7 Performance making 605hp from a TT V8 and just think that for $65k less I can have a car that would rival its performance in multiple domains.

The German brands abandoned their mid-level enthusiast base, Uncle Sam stepped in with some very attractive options. I couldn't wait for them to come back to me. Love the one you're with.

[donaldp]

I came from a 2016 M3 that I had for eight months to my 2017 ZL1 M6. Simply put, the M3 was soulless and the ZL1 ignites the soul.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

Performance on the standard SS (not the 1LE, which isn't available on the 2SS trim until this coming model year) and the M3/M4 is pretty much a wash.

That's why I'm really only interested in the ZL1. There's no comparison there, of course. I'm fairly certain it would be a good daily too, if I could switch the tires out.

After having stepped into and back out of the "M shoes" and then last July into a GT350, the M cannot keep up with the GT350, close though. I thought I had arrived with the GT350. I thought it was the best car I could get. Not so. Since trading it in for the ZL1 and driving both cars the same places over the same bumps and curves, the ZL1 is faster more planted and the rear end is less twitchy. I did not think it was possible. I live in Grapevine where it is hilly by Grapevine Lake and lots of twisty roads. Where I took a curve at high rate of speed, the ZL1 can take it at 10 mph faster. I took both cars at least 10 times apiece, so it is very repeatable.

You will NEVER say I am sorry I bought the ZL1!

[JustinOpinion]

Originally Posted by ZL*Won

And to somewhat disagree with my friend above, my A10 is an excellent daily driver. If you like to have fun Every Day.

I won't disagree with that at all. Just would drive ME nuts to daily drive it, also in a major part because I want to keep it pristine. I would obsess too much!

[Glen e]

I worked for the Germans (Porsche and BMW) for 30 years on the corporate side. Kinda nice having a 911 and 6 series as my company demo. My take is all you might miss is the build quality of the Germans, it's just a tighter spec than GM. But I'd take a zl1 all day long as the fun/cash outlay value is more realistic. The Germans are out of their minds on some of their high-end stuff, in regards to where they price them, IMO.

[ZL*Won]

Originally Posted by JustinOpinion

I won't disagree with that at all. Just would drive ME nuts to daily drive it, also in a major part because I want to keep it pristine. I would obsess too much!

I hear ya. I just bought a truck to drive when it rains cuz I am tired of detailing the car 5 times a week here in Florida (its rainy season).

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by ZL*Won

I hear ya. I just bought a truck to drive when it rains cuz I am tired of detailing the car 5 times a week here in Florida (its rainy season).

+1

The "race car" never sees rain. She only gets to listen to it in the garage.

[Diggitydog]

Excellent thread here. Really enjoy the real world comparisons without bashing.

Simply I am beyond pleased with my ZL1. It is an amazing car, then talk price and it's unbelievable!!

[Hellobatman]

Drove a bimmer for 10 years, loved it while warranty was active, hated it when it was up. It's like they flip a switch and everything starts falling apart. It was my DD, although the ZL1 is not, I could DD it if I had to. All in all, I'd not even dream of driving a BMW ever again, I'd only ride one....their bikes are amazing!

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Diggitydog

Excellent thread here. Really enjoy the real world comparisons without bashing.

Simply I am beyond pleased with my ZL1. It is an amazing car, then talk price and it's unbelievable!!

Now that you say something about bashing, I have to chime in here. Since saying goodbye the GT350 to the GT350 forum I was on, there was so much bashing (not all of course) saying how ugly the ZL1 is (it is not) without so much of a real world performance acceptance. I don't see that here hardly at all. The Mustang fanboys are fairly harsh thinking that the Mustang is the end all.

It is refreshing to be on here and the Camaro guys/girls are more accepting of other opinions/cars, which to me seems that the intellectual level(not bashing) could be higher here.

Just my 2.315435677 cents worth.

[catdog]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

Performance on the standard SS (not the 1LE, which isn't available on the 2SS trim until this coming model year) and the M3/M4 is pretty much a wash.

That's why I'm really only interested in the ZL1. There's no comparison there, of course. I'm fairly certain it would be a good daily too, if I could switch the tires out.

Ok, car feels AWESOME and is docile enough for daily driving, a non issue. Adjustable driving modes a boon here...

Feels good over some bumpy New England roads, although the tires are no-compromise summer tires that are stiff and also make quite a bit of road noise, which is much higher than SS.

Tour setting is nice and compliant but the issue is the tires, so may need to switch to a more A/S tire such as DWS06 but expect a drop in razor sharp responses...

Also agree re. car height, doesn't scrape and no issues with speed bumps unlike GT350 (!)

Heated/cooled seats nice but interior less special than 2SS in adrenaline red... despite gobs of "suede"... saw somebody with red knee pads in ZL1 looked sharp... maybe an option

[ZL*Won]

Saw some talk of switching to 19" rims and tires for better selection, etc. I love the 20" rims so not sure I would do that unless the tire choices really suck. Is there anyone running Michelin Pilot Sports or SuperSports 285/305s on this car? Impressions? Want a sticky tire but want 20K+ miles out of it...is this possible if I don't get on it all the time (like that will happen)?

Also wouldn't going to a 19" rim/tire lower the front splitter? Already paranoid about that thing, not sure I would want it any lower. Thanks for responses.