[96MrBass]

Or " ARE YOU MODDED " Lol

[Infern0]

It seems to me like there are two perspectives being discussed as if they were apples to apples. Maybe that will help understand points of view.

First, there are the owners that got their ZL1s before all the media reports, and the insanely awesome ignition video. Before owner (not pro) track numbers started showing up. Before the Demon was announced. Before more and more of the Ford rumors started to solidify. This thread appears (I'm not the OP so I can only assume) to ask those people, now that everything is on the table, how do you feel? I think it's a valid question from that perspective. There could reasonably be some disappointment through some sort of pre-conceived expectation that wasn't met; regardless of whether it was a reasonable expectation or not.

Then there's those that have purchased after those timelines above knowing exactly what they were getting and exactly where it fell in the lineup (at the top imo). These are some of the shocked responses at some if those perceived unreasonable expectations.

My biggest disappointment is how bad driving it down the line I've been. :( It's been about 7 years since I went down the 1/4. Not like riding a bike at all. To be fair I was still getting to know my car hahah.

[hotlap]

Really? We live in a time when low 11's from a track dominating, grand touring car disappoints some people.

This is a world class piece of machinery with an msrp ~$5k less than a Hellcat. So. Much. More.

[catdog]

Originally Posted by Infern0

It seems to me like there are two perspectives being discussed as if they were apples to apples. Maybe that will help understand points of view.

First, there are the owners that got their ZL1s before all the media reports, and the insanely awesome ignition video. Before owner (not pro) track numbers started showing up. Before the Demon was announced. Before more and more of the Ford rumors started to solidify. This thread appears (I'm not the OP so I can only assume) to ask those people, now that everything is on the table, how do you feel? I think it's a valid question from that perspective. There could reasonably be some disappointment through some sort of pre-conceived expectation that wasn't met; regardless of whether it was a reasonable expectation or not.

Then there's those that have purchased after those timelines above knowing exactly what they were getting and exactly where it fell in the lineup (at the top imo). These are some of the shocked responses at some if those perceived unreasonable expectations.

My biggest disappointment is how bad driving it down the line I've been. :( It's been about 7 years since I went down the 1/4. Not like riding a bike at all. To be fair I was still getting to know my car hahah.

I think your biggest disappointment seems to be that you didn't get the A10

That would have fixed your 1/4 mile issue

Having an extra 200 hp in your ZL1 with manual and first gear that goes to 62mph would have only improved your numbers slightly

The Demon does its thing because of all the optimizations done for the drag strip that i won't repeat here

And if Demon was straight manual transmission, then wouldn't have such great 1/4 mile numbers, just like A8 Hellcats do better than M6 Hellcats...

Thoughts?

[Infern0]

Originally Posted by catdog

I think your biggest disappointment seems to be that you didn't get the A10



That would have fixed your 1/4 mile issue



Having an extra 200 hp in your ZL1 with manual and first gear that goes to 62mph would have only improved your numbers slightly



The Demon does its thing because of all the optimizations done for the drag strip that i won't repeat here



And if Demon was straight manual transmission, then wouldn't have such great 1/4 mile numbers, just like A8 Hellcats do better than M6 Hellcats...



Thoughts?

Lol. I'm quite sure I'm not disappointed about that.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by newmoon

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I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me the last time somebody pulled up to them on the street and asked hey you want to "run" through those curves.

Obviously you have never driven the twisties.

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[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by newmoon

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I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me the last time somebody pulled up to them on the street and asked hey you want to "run" through those curves.

This and this right here is the reason why all of the fanboying for the handling of the car doesn't matter.

And to the above (Sven59), I have done the twisties, but who can prove anything there? I've driven snowmobiles/dirtbikes/four wheelers/sand rails/cars you name it fast through turns and you always back off for a few reasons. 1) You don't want to die 2) You don't want to crash 3) You can't see ahead.

Racing in the turns is 1000x more ridiculous than a highway roll as far as danger and it normally proves nothing due to different drivers giving more or less shits about the above reasons.

This isn't a Porche 918 or a 458 Italia. These are muscle cars that can threaten sport/super cars.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

This and this right here is the reason why all of the fanboying for the handling of the car doesn't matter.

And to the above (Sven59), I have done the twisties, but who can prove anything there? I've driven snowmobiles/dirtbikes/four wheelers/sand rails/cars you name it fast through turns and you always back off for a few reasons. 1) You don't want to die 2) You don't want to crash 3) You can't see ahead.

Racing in the turns is 1000x more ridiculous than a highway roll as far as danger and it normally proves nothing due to different drivers giving more or less shits about the above reasons.

This isn't a Porche 918 or a 458 Italia. These are muscle cars that can threaten sport/super cars.

Not trying to prove anything in the twisties. Just enjoying the ride! Not always about beating the other person.

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[Sven59]

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[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Ok so:

Originally Posted by Sven59

Obviously you have never driven the twisties.

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In response to this:

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I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me the last time somebody pulled up to them on the street and asked hey you want to "run" through those curves.

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Originally Posted by Sven59

Not trying to prove anything in the twisties. Just enjoying the ride! Not always about beating the other person.

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But fair enough, it's not always about beating the other person...Which is why I'm probably going to get a ZL1 and cam it just for the sound and will I pissed that a pulleyed Hellcat is faster, yeah, but oh well.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

Ok so:

In response to this:

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But fair enough, it's not always about beating the other person...Which is why I'm probably going to get a ZL1 and cam it just for the sound and will I pissed that a pulleyed Hellcat is faster, yeah, but oh well.

He asked about running the curves, not racing. Probably the most fun I have had in my Z is running the twisties with other Camaros. It doesn't have to be a race to enjoy the ride.

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[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Not trying to prove anything in the twisties. Just enjoying the ride! Not always about beating the other person.

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That's what is wonderful about a great handling car you're doing it for your own enjoyment, no other driver/car required.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

This and this right here is the reason why all of the fanboying for the handling of the car doesn't matter.

And to the above (Sven59), I have done the twisties, but who can prove anything there? I've driven snowmobiles/dirtbikes/four wheelers/sand rails/cars you name it fast through turns and you always back off for a few reasons. 1) You don't want to die 2) You don't want to crash 3) You can't see ahead.

Racing in the turns is 1000x more ridiculous than a highway roll as far as danger and it normally proves nothing due to different drivers giving more or less shits about the above reasons.

This isn't a Porche 918 or a 458 Italia. These are muscle cars that can threaten sport/super cars.

You are right, the ZL1 was a second slower than the 458 Italia on the ring.

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[catdog]

This should solve all your problems....

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81904

Front tires are same size as Rears on our ZL1