[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

I'm not understanding your position. You love the ST-43's, obviously, but now you want to try something else, assuming they'll be crap? That doesn't make any sense. It's implying either you don't like the ST-43's, or you're stir-crazy and want to change for the sake of change. Which is it?

This whole pad debate is pointless. There are plenty of good pads out there, and everyone has their personal preferences. Just stick to what you love.

BTW, I measured my pad wear. 9 sessions, 1-1.5mm of wear vs new pads. No sweat.

You keep using or implying words/conclusions that I never used in the first place. What makes you think that I am assuming they're "crap"?

I do love the ST43s since it brought the most bang for my buck meaning the best pad life,consistency (resist to fade) for the same amount of money such as Carbotechs, Cobalts..etc in my experience and guess what I share the same experience that all the track rats, racers that I had a conversation with.. Carbotechs were almost done after a couple events with my SC BRZ, I just wanted to give a shot and see if it would live up to hype and they didn't. What is wrong with testing the other alternatives and compare to what I used for years? I then switched back to ST43s and did 8 more events with them and SOLD them after since there was still some life on them.

that said $560 is still a lot of money and if there's a chance of reducing a consumable say for instance $200 pads and let's say they don't fade but they last 4-5 events (about 50% of the pad life of the ST43s in my experience) If that's the case they're of course worth to try.

It just sounds too good to be true and bit hard to compare to your experience because believe it or not; tracks with a lot of elevation changes are harsher on the pads than those that are not and with good amount of straights to cool them down.

And lastly, you're telling everyone "the whole pad debate is pointless" when the topic title is "track pads for 1LE" . What would be more acceptable than people comparing the cost, performance/cost differences on this very thread? Why do you automatically assume that everyone has their "beliefs" or "opinions" and their pointless? Why do we even bother sharing our experiences or provide empirical data (like you did with pad thickness)?

I am not arguing just trying to understand your logic

[Tomiboy]

"guess what I share the same experience that all the track rats, racers that I had a conversation with.. Carbotechs were almost done after a couple events with my SC BRZ"

You say "all the track rats, racers that I had a conversation with" yet when dozens of people on here disagree you don't want to acknowledge their entirely different experience. Aren't we also having a "conversation"? I have not had this experience, in fact the opposite, they lasted and lasted and worked great. I know many track rats that agree. I am sure there are better pads out there (and worse), but these worked great for me. I am only trying the Powerstops because I'm hoping to find a lower cost alternative to all the high cost pads (of which I include the ST-43s). I value your experience, but why can't you value ours?

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Tomiboy

"guess what I share the same experience that all the track rats, racers that I had a conversation with.. Carbotechs were almost done after a couple events with my SC BRZ"

You say "all the track rats, racers that I had a conversation with" yet when dozens of people on here disagree you don't want to acknowledge their entirely different experience. Aren't we also having a "conversation"? I have not had this experience, in fact the opposite, they lasted and lasted and worked great. I know many track rats that agree. I am sure there are better pads out there (and worse), but these worked great for me. I am only trying the Powerstops because I'm hoping to find a lower cost alternative to all the high cost pads (of which I include the ST-43s). I value your experience, but why can't you value ours?

I do value your experience and others, the reason why I started considering this alternative (powerstops) with the detailed explanation in my previous post.

I just don't see dozens of people disagreeing with my fade and pad life experience with Carbotechs, in fact I don't see dozens of people report about this sort of stuff anyways since the car is very new and there's not enough data just yet and I have been following the forums for a while. On top of that, a few people already mentioned that they had similar experience on them feel free to search and see it yourself.

Like I said, track type, driving habits, and setup changes have a lot to do with the overall performance of the specific pads . Hence the reason why, I was solely comparing on the same car, driver, setup, tracks ..etc and I am not speaking of a marginal difference here! Difference was so obvious 2-3 events and with fade is not acceptable for me. Often times people only use one set of pads for the given setup (and other factors I mentioned above) and compare to a different setup, driver,,etc and guess what it is of course better than the stockers and it should be automatically the "best" .


PowerStops on the other hand will definitely get my vote if they last 4-5 events since the price is awesome

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by glamcem

I do value your experience and others, the reason why I started considering this alternative (powerstops) with the detailed explanation in my previous post.

I just don't see dozens of people disagreeing with my fade and pad life experience with Carbotechs, ...

You're just not willing to READ others experience with Carbotech. I should've said "This pad debate is pointless with you", because you've proven unwilling to accept that we like them, and you don't. I've been running Carbotech's, and pay attention, successfully, for years. I still run them in my Miata because they straight-up work with no excuses and no B.S.. Just because you and your friends can't get them to work, for whatever reason, doesn't mean the rest of us are incompetent.

I'm more than wondering if you're being paid by Raybestos to bad-mouth all other pads. The rest of us can have a discussion, but you're so myopic on this discussion, you're not helping whatsoever.

If you want to return to the discussion, the first step is you're going to have to accept that Carbotech's are a legitimate option, and you simply aren't compatible with them. You're also going to have to stop being such a shill for ST-43. Raybestos has many compounds, and a medium torque open-wheel formula is unlikely the best option from them. Ok?

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

You're just not willing to READ others experience with Carbotech. I should've said "This pad debate is pointless with you", because you've proven unwilling to accept that we like them, and you don't. I've been running Carbotech's, and pay attention, successfully, for years. I still run them in my Miata because they straight-up work with no excuses and no B.S.. Just because you and your friends can't get them to work, for whatever reason, doesn't mean the rest of us are incompetent.

I'm more than wondering if you're being paid by Raybestos to bad-mouth all other pads. The rest of us can have a discussion, but you're so myopic on this discussion, you're not helping whatsoever.

First of all you didn't answer any of the questions I asked in my previous post. And, No I am not affiliated with Raybestos or any other brand, I also didn't bad-mouth at all (except maybe the Carbotechs since they sucked so bad). Also, this is not the first time that you are quoting the words that I never used or implied.

You simply stated this "whole pad debate is pointless " because everyone has their opinion but -with a 180 degree turn- you now say that it's pointless to discuss with me because I don't share your experience? and also claim I'm a myopic? wow! I am sorry they only lasted 2 events in my case and so that I shared that here. Enjoy and be happy with whatever that floats your boat

[Ryephile]

Edited. Misunderstanding. I think it's sorted out.

Different strokes for different folks.

[slick3]

Had a email discussion with Danny Puskar from G-Loc.

My requirements were, factory tires or tires in the same class, non-competitive racing, meaning not door to door racing. Something for open track days with a higher quality fluid.
Another requirement was compatible with a street pad in their lineup that wouldnt eat my rotors alive.

He recommend for the track the R12 - F and the R8 - R and for the street pad he recommended their GS-1.

Any one have any expierence with these? I know G-loc was created from some of the guys from carbotech (I think thats the story?) so im assuming they are similiar in nature.

Just figure I would throw another option out to get some thoughts.

[Tomiboy]

Yes, those are the guys who started Carbotech. I would have thought 12 front 10 back but they are the experts for sure

[Ryephile]

G-Loc is the two brothers that left Carbotech, because their father refused to give them a stake in Carbotech. As such, the father now runs Carbotech and the two sons run G-Loc. They're the same compounds.

My last batch of pads for the Miata are G-Loc R12 front and R10 rear. Just like Carbotech, they're fantastic and match perfectly with the Hoosier R7's I use. Given the Camaro is much heavier but with the factory tires, I can see R12 front being a good suggestion. I'm not sure I'd run a mu split on this car though, as the pad size delta is enormous and the factory pads are the same compound, and the CBC & EBD programming is very good with the same compound.

Long story short, I'd go for R12 front and back.

[slick3]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

G-Loc is the two brothers that left Carbotech, because their father refused to give them a stake in Carbotech. As such, the father now runs Carbotech and the two sons run G-Loc. They're the same compounds.

My last batch of pads for the Miata are G-Loc R12 front and R10 rear. Just like Carbotech, they're fantastic and match perfectly with the Hoosier R7's I use. Given the Camaro is much heavier but with the factory tires, I can see R12 front being a good suggestion. I'm not sure I'd run a mu split on this car though, as the pad size delta is enormous and the factory pads are the same compound, and the CBC & EBD programming is very good with the same compound.

Long story short, I'd go for R12 front and back.

Thanks for making it even more complicated LOL

[Ryephile]

Sorry! It seems that because the stock Ferodo's are the same compound, and then measuring my Track Day pads after this weekend and how even they are front-to-back, it seems running the same mu front and back makes sense on this particular application. I think on the normal SS 4-piston brakes it might make sense to have a split front to back, as the front pads are so much smaller.

[jaymsu]

Originally Posted by MatthewAMEL

OEM rotors (Front) MSRP for $674.
Part#
23142500 (R)
23189768 (L)

GMpartsdirect.com has them for $377.

Happy tracking!

Thanks for putting very valuable info together.
One question: has anyone ordered rotors using the part number shown above? I'm in needs to purchase rotors for 6 piston calipers, and was wondering if these part numbers were confirmed. Usually Left and Right part numbers are very similar with last digit difference but these two are quite different so I just wanted to re-confirm before ordering.
Thank you in advance!

[MatthewAMEL]

Originally Posted by jaymsu

Thanks for putting very valuable info together.
One question: has anyone ordered rotors using the part number shown above? I'm in needs to purchase rotors for 6 piston calipers, and was wondering if these part numbers were confirmed. Usually Left and Right part numbers are very similar with last digit difference but these two are quite different so I just wanted to re-confirm before ordering.
Thank you in advance!

The OEM set on the 1LE are not the same as the set available if you buy the GM Performance Parts Brembo kit. The kit rotors are slotted.

There are also rotors available from DBA. According to another forum user who has ordered and installed them, they bolt right on to the OEM hat.

https://www.knsbrakes.com/c/car-seri...2FCorvette+Hat

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=492428

[jaymsu]

Originally Posted by MatthewAMEL

The OEM set on the 1LE are not the same as the set available if you buy the GM Performance Parts Brembo kit. The kit rotors are slotted.

There are also rotors available from DBA. According to another forum user who has ordered and installed them, they bolt right on to the OEM hat.

https://www.knsbrakes.com/c/car-seri...2FCorvette+Hat

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=492428

Yeah I saw that thread as well. I also considered ordering DBA 5000 with the hat from tirerack, assuming C7Z06 rotors are the same ones, but read on this forum that the mounting on Z06 and Camaro are different, so gave up on that idea.
I don't have the OEM rotors - I just have 6 piston calipers. (long story...)
Anyway, I went ahead and ordered the rotors with the part number listed on the first thread. When the time comes for new rotors, I'll go with DBA 5000. (I like DBA rotors)
Thanks!