[SpeedLimit]

Not enough down force IMO...

Originally Posted by mkorgan

well, get a load of the one on the new vette......

http://www.gminsidenews.com/articles...a-dohc-v8-lt5/

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by speedyman

I agree but no where near as bad as this abortion. First time I saw a pic of these cars I honestly thought it was a photoshopped joke.

I would drive that Viper WITH that wing any day of the week.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by Raven87

I would drive that Viper WITH that wing any day of the week.

Good, you are more than welcome to every last one of them. Got to be the most ridiculous looking performance vehicle ever built and likely why it was terminated.

[Memphis]

Originally Posted by speedyman

Good, you are more than welcome to every last one of them. Got to be the most ridiculous looking performance vehicle ever built and likely why it was terminated.

lol, there were probably more ACRs sold than SRTs over the last 2 years.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by Memphis

lol, there were probably more ACRs sold than SRTs over the last 2 years.

Oh well, its either too ugly or they didn't sell enough of them or both. You never really want to see a performance vehicle go away.

[00 Trans Ram]

Originally Posted by speedyman

Oh well, its either too ugly or they didn't sell enough of them or both. You never really want to see a performance vehicle go away.

Nah - they just don't make money on them. Same with most halo cars like that. Small production runs, exotic parts, etc. They make them to drive people to buy their lower-tier cars.

Even Chevrolet probably doesn't make a lot of money, and probably loses money, on every ZL1 1LE they'll make. But, it'll drive people to buy an SS or even LT.

So, once they've got some of them out there, and gotten all the press they're going to get out of them, they stop making them.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by 00 Trans Ram

Nah - they just don't make money on them. Same with most halo cars like that. Small production runs, exotic parts, etc. They make them to drive people to buy their lower-tier cars.

Even Chevrolet probably doesn't make a lot of money, and probably loses money, on every ZL1 1LE they'll make. But, it'll drive people to buy an SS or even LT.

So, once they've got some of them out there, and gotten all the press they're going to get out of them, they stop making them.

Do you really think GM loses money on these cars? I fully understand the halo concept but can guarantee you that they do NOT lose money on any of these cars.

[00 Trans Ram]

Maybe. Maybe not.

I find it hard to believe that GM made any money on my 2SS, though. Simply because I used up SOOO much of the dealership's time over the year that I was shopping, placing an order, monitoring the order, etc. hahaha

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by 00 Trans Ram

Maybe. Maybe not.

I find it hard to believe that GM made any money on my 2SS, though. Simply because I used up SOOO much of the dealership's time over the year that I was shopping, placing an order, monitoring the order, etc. hahaha

You don't believe that GM had a margin on your Camaro because of what you put the dealer through monitoring the progress of your order? You can't be serious.

[Mr. Wyndham]

The halo cars bring in more $$ than the lesser models. It's built into the "upgrade" price. Don't be fooled into thinking otherwise...GM cost for parts if far less than they sell it for retail...that's why packaging it all together and selling it to us for less than we could do it ourselves seems like a bargain...but for them, it's healthy wallet-padding.

The problem with the Viper, and one of the reasons it was killed off, was that they had planned to sell AT LEAST over double what they actually sold to break even...and at the price point they were at, the range didn't support itself.

GM makes money on ZL1s and ZL1 1LEs.....they make a LOT of money...ironically, where they don't make as much....is on the LS models...but selling those at a lower margin allows them to spread out R&D, tooling costs so they can have a healthy margin on the rest.

[GoneBoy]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

The halo cars bring in more $$ than the lesser models. It's built into the "upgrade" price. Don't be fooled into thinking otherwise...GM cost for parts if far less than they sell it for retail...that's why packaging it all together and selling it to us for less than we could do it ourselves seems like a bargain...but for them, it's healthy wallet-padding.

The problem with the Viper, and one of the reasons it was killed off, was that they had planned to sell AT LEAST over double what they actually sold to break even...and at the price point they were at, the range didn't support itself.

GM makes money on ZL1s and ZL1 1LEs.....they make a LOT of money...ironically, where they don't make as much....is on the LS models...but selling those at a lower margin allows them to spread out R&D, tooling costs so they can have a healthy margin on the rest.

Good points.

I think it also important to note that the while GM may make healthy margins on their halo vehicles, that doesn't necessarily mean the dealers are. At least not as much as most would think they would for low volume vehicles.

[tmill2]

The wing gives it that shopping car look..

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by GoneBoy

Good points.

I think it also important to note that the while GM may make healthy margins on their halo vehicles, that doesn't necessarily mean the dealers are. At least not as much as most would think they would for low volume vehicles.

Yep.

Invoice pricing and MSRP seem to be related to each other on a percentage basis...so they stand to make more on a high cost vehicle than they do a low-cost one...but they sell far more low-cost vehicles than high.

Originally Posted by tmill2

The wing gives it that shopping car look..

To each there own, beauty in the eye of the beholder, etc, one man's trash is another man's treasure, etc, etc....

But I have a hard time seeing the "shopping cart" criticism...to me:

This is a shopping cart:


This just screams motorsport:

[00 Trans Ram]

It was kinda funny. For years, I ran a regular spoiler on my Trans Am. No one thought much of it. And it helped . . . I guess.



Then, I got a wing for it. It was 2nd-hand, but the price was right (ie: "free"). Then, I started winning races. I'm under no illusions that the wing suddenly made me that much faster. But, next thing you know, all the BMWs, RX-7s, and Vettes are putting wings on. Kinda funny.