Vengeance Racing A10 ZL1 hits the drag strip - Page 2

cleoent · 04-03-2017, 03:45 PM

Dope. Good luck, can't wait to see what you guys do to this thing.

KLR ZL1 · 04-03-2017, 04:13 PM

That's awesome and right on par for what GM was claiming.

edc901 · 04-03-2017, 05:41 PM

Well, that is a little disappointing if the TM is so bad compared to the Z06.

VAZL1 · 04-03-2017, 06:07 PM

Awesome, thanks for sharing

96MrBass · 04-03-2017, 07:34 PM

Man for the very few passes these A10's have made they've been kinda consistent low 11's.

laynlo15 · 04-03-2017, 08:51 PM

10's are a ways off, I figured it would run 10's with drag radials as it has as much hp as mine and I ran 10.80s with slicks and skinnies with a Maggie. However I know you'll get the with a little tuning and lighter wheels and tires. That 10 speed is really killer going down the track.

devnull · 04-03-2017, 10:26 PM

WOW!

I'll be stopping in very soon Ron (my daily commute is Castleberry).

Zeke.Malvo · 04-03-2017, 10:41 PM

One hour of cool down is plenty of time. Looks like weather was really good too, DA was '1000-'1100. Can't ask for too much better than that.

.07-.08 gains from drag radials would be disappointing, but another way of looking at it would be that they look pretty much unnecessary on a stock car due to the tune. I'm really doubting we'll see a 10.9xx run stock.

laynlo15 · 04-04-2017, 12:06 AM

I was sure with drag radials 10's would also be possible but now I agree with you its gonna be tough to make it happen. There have been plenty of dyno runs that would seem to show enough hp/torque to achieve 10's with DR's. Maybe the smaller 1700 supercharger just can't get it done. Now that's not saying there won't be a freak car come out of gm that it will just happen right off the bat with drag radials or slicks. I hope it does and if not there will be a bunch of disappointed A10 owners, I'd say the drag racing crowd that thought the M6 was gonna be the ticket have now realized that they can't even get into the 11's. A few have but most are stuck in the low 12's.

BoostedX2 · 04-04-2017, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by laynlo15

I was sure with drag radials 10's would also be possible but now I agree with you its gonna be tough to make it happen. There have been plenty of dyno runs that would seem to show enough hp/torque to achieve 10's with DR's. Maybe the smaller 1700 supercharger just can't get it done. Now that's not saying there won't be a freak car come out of gm that it will just happen right off the bat with drag radials or slicks. I hope it does and if not there will be a bunch of disappointed A10 owners, I'd say the drag racing crowd that thought the M6 was gonna be the ticket have now realized that they can't even get into the 11's. A few have but most are stuck in the low 12's.

Does anyone know if there was any Torque Management on the 5th gen auto ZL1s?

*mlee* · 04-04-2017, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RonatVengeance

I had my best luck with traction/stabilitrak disabled and the car in "Track" mode.... I tried numerous other configurations, but this one seemed to work best.

The "Launch Control" feature itself was horrible. This might be more useful on the street or non prepped surface, but at the track it slowed the car down and cost quite a bit in the 60ft. I tried 5%-15% slip and up to 2400rpm with no success.

Nice baseline and thanks for this info. I'll be on the track Friday working on some of these combos. Hope to see you guys at CamaroFest in July with something really fast.

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Originally Posted by BoostedX2

Does anyone know if there was any Torque Management on the 5th gen auto ZL1s?

Yes, but most (not all) could be turned off when using DR's. I tried that with this one and it bogs down on launch. Hope to try out a few different combos in a few days.

RonatVengeance · 04-04-2017, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

One hour of cool down is plenty of time. Looks like weather was really good too, DA was '1000-'1100. Can't ask for too much better than that.

.07-.08 gains from drag radials would be disappointing, but another way of looking at it would be that they look pretty much unnecessary on a stock car due to the tune. I'm really doubting we'll see a 10.9xx run stock.

Both passes with drag radials were made within 3 minutes... 2:12 and 2:15 as seem on the time stamp on the time slip. Also DA was 1800-2000ft. I had our weather station with us at the track.

There is absolutely nothing disappointing about this ZL1. Yes, there is torque management that keeps the car from leaving as hard as it could, but that is nothing that cannot be addressed with the push of a button.

WILWAXU · 04-04-2017, 10:15 AM

Yup... I can see 10's after some more miles and mine shaft air.

Can'tHave2MuchHP · 04-04-2017, 10:56 AM

Not sure about 10s stock. 11.1-2s tops. More than likely the car has way too much torque management due to the short gear ratios of the first few gears to let it leave that hard. So sure you can tune some of that stuff out but is it still considered stock? Not to me.

A8 Z06s have done as low as 10.41 bone stock on their stock Michelins with most sitting around the 10.8 mark. Manuals with a CAI can get into the tens. What this tells me is that there's no way that a car with the same HP (And we've been seeing STRONGER baselines in the ZL1s than the Z06s) and only 300-400 more pounds is losing nearly a second even with drag radials + A10 vs PSS and A8. Must be how the cars are setup.

Hellcats can run 10s stock. Come on GM, don't let us be slower than even the LAST generation muscle cars.

04-03-2017, 03:45 PM	#15
cleoent Drives: 16' Camaro E-Force SS Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Morgan Hill, Ca Posts: 836	Dope. Good luck, can't wait to see what you guys do to this thing. __________________ Leo 2016 e-Force 2SS Instagram @cleoent

04-03-2017, 04:13 PM	#16
KLR ZL1 H-Town Camaro Club Member Drives: 17 Hyper Blue Metallic KLR-ZL1 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Pearland Tx. Posts: 2,034 View My Garage	That's awesome and right on par for what GM was claiming. __________________

04-03-2017, 05:41 PM	#17
edc901 Drives: 2017 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Memphis Posts: 95	Well, that is a little disappointing if the TM is so bad compared to the Z06. __________________ 2017 Camaro ZL1 Hyper Blue - A10

04-03-2017, 06:07 PM	#18
VAZL1 Drives: 17 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: VA Posts: 1,075	Awesome, thanks for sharing __________________ 2017 ZL1 Coupe M6, Red Hot Mods; AFE Pro 5R CAI, Kong Ported Blower and Snout, NW 103 TB, Griptech 2.31 Upper, Kooks 2",JMS Voltage Booster, Flex Fuel, Mighty Mouse CC,Jannetty Racing Tune, 680 rwhp

04-03-2017, 07:34 PM	#19
96MrBass Drives: GM Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Marydel, DE Posts: 1,321	Man for the very few passes these A10's have made they've been kinda consistent low 11's. __________________ Roto- Fab Cai, SLP 1 3/4" headers, 3"X pipe, LM2 cat back, Comp Cam & AI Heads, SLP UP, RPM Tuned, GPI Intake, Vmax TB, ADM Air Scoop, 3.91 Gears, Gforce driveshaft, Braille 21#, Elite Catch Can, Pfadt Tie Rods, Diff Bushings and Trailing arms, Eibach spings & sways, BMR cradle bushings, Nt555r's.

04-03-2017, 08:51 PM	#20
laynlo15 Drives: 2022 Lt1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: clark, mo Posts: 8,882	10's are a ways off, I figured it would run 10's with drag radials as it has as much hp as mine and I ran 10.80s with slicks and skinnies with a Maggie. However I know you'll get the with a little tuning and lighter wheels and tires. That 10 speed is really killer going down the track.

04-03-2017, 10:26 PM	#21
devnull Scientific negotiator Drives: 2019 Grand Sport Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Forsyth, GA Posts: 873	WOW! I'll be stopping in very soon Ron (my daily commute is Castleberry). __________________ 2019 Grand Sport M7 2018 ZL1 *1LE* 6MT 2017 SS *1LE* 6MT . Matthew 25:40 *ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑβΕ*

04-03-2017, 10:41 PM	#22
Zeke.Malvo Drives: 1969 Mustang MaCh1 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: SJ Posts: 835	One hour of cool down is plenty of time. Looks like weather was really good too, DA was '1000-'1100. Can't ask for too much better than that. .07-.08 gains from drag radials would be disappointing, but another way of looking at it would be that they look pretty much unnecessary on a stock car due to the tune. I'm really doubting we'll see a 10.9xx run stock. __________________ 1969 Pro-Touring MaCh 1 - CHP 427w 10.8 comp - 3140 lbs. - 460 rwhp / 490 rwtq T56 Magnum \|\| 14" 6 piston front / 13" 4 piston rear Wilwood brakes \|\| Hydraulic clutch \|\| 9" Detroit Locker \|\| TCP Coilovers \|\| Forgeline Wheels 18x10 275/35 front, 19x12 325/30 rear

04-04-2017, 12:06 AM	#23
laynlo15 Drives: 2022 Lt1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: clark, mo Posts: 8,882	I was sure with drag radials 10's would also be possible but now I agree with you its gonna be tough to make it happen. There have been plenty of dyno runs that would seem to show enough hp/torque to achieve 10's with DR's. Maybe the smaller 1700 supercharger just can't get it done. Now that's not saying there won't be a freak car come out of gm that it will just happen right off the bat with drag radials or slicks. I hope it does and if not there will be a bunch of disappointed A10 owners, I'd say the drag racing crowd that thought the M6 was gonna be the ticket have now realized that they can't even get into the 11's. A few have but most are stuck in the low 12's.

04-04-2017, 10:15 AM	#27
WILWAXU Drives: 2019 Crush ZL1 1LE Join Date: May 2009 Location: League City, TX Posts: 544 View My Garage	Yup... I can see 10's after some more miles and mine shaft air. __________________ John Brown Instagram @wilwaxu Facebook @wilwaxu

04-04-2017, 10:56 AM	#28
Can'tHave2MuchHP Drives: Fast Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,696	Not sure about 10s stock. 11.1-2s tops. More than likely the car has way too much torque management due to the short gear ratios of the first few gears to let it leave that hard. So sure you can tune some of that stuff out but is it still considered stock? Not to me. A8 Z06s have done as low as 10.41 bone stock on their stock Michelins with most sitting around the 10.8 mark. Manuals with a CAI can get into the tens. What this tells me is that there's no way that a car with the same HP (And we've been seeing STRONGER baselines in the ZL1s than the Z06s) and only 300-400 more pounds is losing nearly a second even with drag radials + A10 vs PSS and A8. Must be how the cars are setup. Hellcats can run 10s stock. Come on GM, don't let us be slower than even the LAST generation muscle cars.

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