[Corner carver]

Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

I got my 1SS for $33.6k optioned with magniride, black rims and dual mode exhaust and manual trans. Sure I negotiated...but I read Trump's..Art of the Deal.

About 45400 cdn... Pretty darn good!

I also ordered my car... So no big deals for me
My order was for a 2016, but my order was bumped to a 2017... My dealer still gave me 2016 invoice pricing though, so I can't complain

The '40' I paid also included dealership fees and taxes...under 40 out the door

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Interesting to re-read the same sorts of commentaries each month.

Though I've noticed the page counts for each of these threads has declined a bit...

Not that it matters, but I'll throw a chip in...We all would like to see Camaro as sales King but for no other reason that bragging rights. Even me, and I won't deny that. 2009-2015 were great for reading about the pounding that both the other cars were taking in sales.

However, as far as I'm concerned...I just want to see Camaro sustain itself as a production model, enough to warrant spending development money on a new generation, and special performance variants. I don't see the books...so I don't know if they are making money or not. If they are not - you can bet they will be rebooting something or another to change that. If they are....then all of the conversation in this thread is purely academic.

I think they are selling enough to keep the car around, however I think internally they are disappointed with the numbers. Yes they wanted to reduce fleet sales and increase retail sales so some overall sales might be down.

But If you look at the inventory levels that were built up in 2016, it is clear to me they expected this car to sell in similar numbers to the 5th gen. There is no other reason that can explain the huge amount of inventory.

Also I find it odd that a car that is universally loved by the automotive press, clearly superior to the car it replaces is struggling to outsell it.

[PH3688]

Well it's official. The camaro has become the Xbox one of cars. Now, the deciding factor is, is gm going to keep producing these cars in 2020? If they learned anything it's that 50,000 dollars that the beta testers bought doesn't sell well to the average Joe. Perhaps this is the end... Again.

[HogsFan75]

Originally Posted by Bassment

No It's not, the Camaro is in the top 10 (available production) cars for the slowest depreciation.

Go try to trade your car in and tell me how good resale is on a Camaro

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I think they are selling enough to keep the car around, however I think internally they are disappointed with the numbers. Yes they wanted to reduce fleet sales and increase retail sales so some overall sales might be down.

Indeed total sales are down partly due to fleet sales dropping from 15% to 6% and partly due to the depressed coupe/sedan market. Sales/marketing folk are always disappointed with the numbers no matter how good

Originally Posted by shaffe

But If you look at the inventory levels that were built up in 2016, it is clear to me they expected this car to sell in similar numbers to the 5th gen. There is no other reason that can explain the huge amount of inventory.

GM and most other automakers are sitting on high inventory right now. This is not unique to the Camaro.

Originally Posted by shaffe

Also I find it odd that a car that is universally loved by the automotive press, clearly superior to the car it replaces is struggling to outsell it.

Several forces at play here but predominantly a depressed sport car market combined with higher prices and fleet sales cut in half.

The real question (no one here can answer) is what is the margin on the 6th gen vs 5th gen? You can afford lower volume if offset by higher margins. People get caught up in volume but that only tells half the story. GM raked in crazy profits last year on fewer sales. Solid work by Barra et al at the same time giving enthusiasts several world-class performance products.

[samurai]

Originally Posted by PH3688

Well it's official. The camaro has become the Xbox one of cars. Now, the deciding factor is, is gm going to keep producing these cars in 2020? If they learned anything it's that 50,000 dollars that the beta testers bought doesn't sell well to the average Joe. Perhaps this is the end... Again.

Sales are not a sprint, but a Marathon. The 2015 Mustang really cut off a lot of sales with the low price and a really good upgrade against 5th Gen Camaro and Mustang.
Now Chevy must find a way to bring back the Mustang customers back to the Camaro. But take a look at the Mustang Facelift. I don't see that this ugly duckface will sell as well as the pre-facelift.

With the facelift of the Camaro already spotted Chevy could still turn the table. I can imagine that they will focus on a low entry model for the facelift. Also we should have in mind that the Transformers movies helped the Camaro a lot and the one with the 6th Gen Camaro is still on it's way.

[Bassment]

Originally Posted by HogsFan75

Go try to trade your car in and tell me how good resale is on a Camaro

I'm in Canada so it's different, mines still the same value I paid. But I'm talking about 5 year depreciation not one year. All cars lose the most value after a year.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Indeed total sales are down partly due to fleet sales dropping from 15% to 6% and partly due to the depressed coupe/sedan market. Sales/marketing folk are always disappointed with the numbers no matter how good



GM and most other automakers are sitting on high inventory right now. This is not unique to the Camaro.



Several forces at play here but predominantly a depressed sport car market combined with higher prices and fleet sales cut in half.

The real question (no one here can answer) is what is the margin on the 6th gen vs 5th gen? You can afford lower volume if offset by higher margins. People get caught up in volume but that only tells half the story. GM raked in crazy profits last year on fewer sales. Solid work by Barra et al at the same time giving enthusiasts several world-class performance products.

True most automakers are sitting on high inventory now, but the Camaro is sitting on exceptionally high inventory. That right there tells me they expected to sell quite a bit more than they have.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by shaffe

True most automakers are sitting on high inventory now, but the Camaro is sitting on exceptionally high inventory. That right there tells me they expected to sell quite a bit more than they have.

What's funny in my town, the Dodge dealer is sitting on higher inventory than the Chevy dealer. The Dodge dealer has 20+ '16 Challengers and 7 17's, but the Chevy dealer has no 16's and 15 '17s. I think FCA actually has a higher inventory of older models at this point since I keep reading articles talking about excess Challengers sitting on lots. Now they are offering 20% off MSRP on the oldest 15% of stock including '17 models.

But I agree, Chevy thought more were going to sell.

[90503]

The "how many days of inventory" number will always look "bad" if sales are slow...

It's a number of days they will have cars left based on the daily sales....If daily sales suddenly double, the number of days worth of cars in inventory gets cut in half....Just sayin' if the number of days of inventory changes, up or down, it's still the same amount of actual cars....The number of cars you see on a lot is probably not a good indicator of nationwide inventory....It's not an exact number for each dealership...They're all different.....No big news, there...lol....Just sayin'...

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by 90503

The "how many days of inventory" number will always look "bad" if sales are slow...

It's a number of days they will have cars left based on the daily sales....If daily sales suddenly double, the number of days worth of cars in inventory gets cut in half....Just sayin' if the number of days of inventory changes, up or down, it's still the same amount of actual cars....The number of cars you see on a lot is probably not a good indicator of nationwide inventory....It's not an exact number for each dealership...They're all different.....No big news, there...lol....Just sayin'...

True, but combine the days in inventory with the number listed on cars.com and you can figure out that there is a ton of inventory built up.

I know the cars.com count isn't the most scientific or accurate but it does give an idea. Just did a quick search this is what I came up with.

Mustang 19.5K
Challenger 15.2k

Camaro 32.2K

[90503]

No doubt they'd love to see more cars sold and be pumping out the maximum possible from the assembly line....lol...And customers who order their cars, instead of just buying off the lot, may make that inventory number seem worse than it is...

I wanted to just point out that it's a number always in flux, and not a set in stone factor that would mean a plant would have to be closed, for instance....Once sales pick up, the inventory number quickly drops, and vice-versa...

[TopHatPlus]

I made a video about this and it has cultivated a lot of interest... i obviously have a reputation for having strong opinions so here she is.

1-marketing
2-marketing
3-marketing.

Our cars are well worth there money and deliver every thrill for the dollar you would anticipate. But GM coulee not do any less work to inform or excite potential buyers.

Sales are simple - make them live the dream.
Gm commercial - put you to sleep
Sleeping = no sales

So join the 1000 other people that watched the video and maybe even leave a thumbs up.

[keon718nyc]

Sucks for GM, But great for me and anyone else who has a 6th Gen Camaro. I am glad not to see one at every corner of my eye at least in my area. I know in some States/City's there are many driving around. I can count by hand how many i seen in the wild while out and about in my neck of the woods. Kinda crazy how it will be coming up to 2 years some of us have had this car and it feels still so fresh like the day i drove it off the lot.