[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by Co2SS

Yeah what he said!!! And don't worry about the X-# of tenths of a second faster it is 0-60, 1/4 mile, or on the F-ing Nurburgring. Watch the in-car video of the Chevy guy driving the 'Ring' in the last generation Z/28 vs the in-car video of the A10 ZL1 and tell me who just did something really bad-ass and who just drove a really bad-ass car really fast. Sorry but for driving engagement "pointing and flooring it" is no where new the level of "rowing your on gears."

100% agree. Some people forget that these cars mainly built for enjoyment. If my livelihood depended on shaving every tenth of a second, then the auto makes more sense.

[Gunsmokez]

Take the Manual and save the money. That money saved is the depreciation that can be used to upgrade again to even a new version down the line.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by snackbar64

I also saw a post on here where a company bwas selling the exposed carbon hood insert. Was that a factory OEM piece? If so it makes it more interesting.

That would be aftermarket...

[HyperBlueX2]

Originally Posted by mlee

That would be aftermarket...

Exposed OEM insert is $1,750....

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

100% agree. Some people forget that these cars mainly built for enjoyment. If my livelihood depended on shaving every tenth of a second, then the auto makes more sense.

Exceptionally good point my friend, well stated. Learned that lesson recently with my first ever automatic performance car, an A8 Z06. Took the advice of many on different forums about the A8 and ditched the car after about 10 months. Fast as hell, lightning quick shifts but boring. No where near enough driver engagement like there is with the manuals, never again. One or two tenths of a second will not make or break me as I am no longer a regular at the drag strip. When the manuals are gone I'm done with these cars.

[KaBoom1701]

I would do the A10 as I track my car and need the time savings but having driven my M6 5th Gen ZL1 for a few years I love rowing my own gears. Just makes the car a blast to drive more.

[Hammerli]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

100% agree. Some people forget that these cars mainly built for enjoyment. If my livelihood depended on shaving every tenth of a second, then the auto makes more sense.

Well said, and while I risk requiring a flame suit for this, many are discounting the fact the A10 is a multi-corporation transmission that will soon (next cycle) be available in most trucks and SUVs, Lincoln Continental, Mustang, and probably eventually the Impala and Taurus too. Is it a great transmission, I have no doubt about that, but it is not ground breaking or earth shattering, or the best thing since the invention of the ICE as some would believe. If I was buying this car as a daily driver, and was going to be in traffic a lot, every day, then I'd get the A10, but for enjoyment, no, I have a PDK that can run 11.5s all day, and my wife can run that time in it, not hard, easily repeatable, and honestly as a result, just not that much fun after a few times. Moral of the story, I'd save the $16,000.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by Hammerli

Well said, and while I risk requiring a flame suit for this, many are discounting the fact the A10 is a multi-corporation transmission that will soon (next cycle) be available in most trucks and SUVs, Lincoln Continental, Mustang, and probably eventually the Impala and Taurus too. Is it a great transmission, I have no doubt about that, but it is not ground breaking or earth shattering, or the best thing since the invention of the ICE as some would believe. If I was buying this car as a daily driver, and was going to be in traffic a lot, every day, then I'd get the A10, but for enjoyment, no, I have a PDK that can run 11.5s all day, and my wife can run that time in it, not hard, easily repeatable, and honestly as a result, just not that much fun after a few times. Moral of the story, I'd save the $16,000.

This is another excellent post on the subject, you nailed it. An A8 Z06 is the same way. Lightning fast upshifts under full acceleration. The car is plain and simple point and floor it or with launch control the pedal is floored and the brake is released, the computers make bazillions of calculations and you get your 10 second slip.The first 1/4 mile I ran was a launch control bone stock run on factory tires, 10.92 @ 130. No sweat, no skill at all, just about anyone with the balls to keep it floored for a little over 10 seconds can do it. It gets boring real fast and worse on the street. No more automatics for me.

[Aboynamedsue]

Originally Posted by speedyman

This is another excellent post on the subject, you nailed it. An A8 Z06 is the same way. Lightning fast upshifts under full acceleration. The car is plain and simple point and floor it or with launch control the pedal is floored and the brake is released, the computers make bazillions of calculations and you get your 10 second slip.The first 1/4 mile I ran was a launch control bone stock run on factory tires, 10.92 @ 130. No sweat, no skill at all, just about anyone with the balls to keep it floored for a little over 10 seconds can do it. It gets boring real fast and worse on the street. No more automatics for me.

I'm with you guys.

[ParisTNDude]

$55K is a steel at this point in the ZL1's life span. I think I would buy it.

[Hammerli]

Originally Posted by speedyman

An A8 Z06 is the same way. Lightning fast upshifts under full acceleration. The car is plain and simple point and floor it or with launch control the pedal is floored and the brake is released, the computers make bazillions of calculations and you get your 10 second slip.

Same experience I had in the A8 ZO6, if you want a numbers car, buy that, even with "only" an A8, it is faster than the ZL1, and still faster on the track (using Pobst's numbers) with the same "only" an A8. Plus I find it VERY interesting the M6 Randy was faster than the A10. I love when I read the spin from the A10 waiters, that he just adjusted the tire pressure and suddenly was faster, no, that is not how I read it, sounds like he spent lots of track time "playing" (track speak for took hours making multiple adjustments) with the A10 to get it faster, and unofficial at that. So if he had spent all that time learning the car characteristics and nuances in the M6, what would the time have been? But at the end of the day, the 1/4 second difference between the M6 baseline run, and A10 let's run it till we can get a low number, just isn't that much of a difference, and the A8 ZO6 was still almost a second faster.

[HyperBlueX2]

Originally Posted by nickgiacalone

That's why I'm curious as to where this car is located at.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=483850

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

100% agree. Some people forget that these cars mainly built for enjoyment. If my livelihood depended on shaving every tenth of a second, then the auto makes more sense.

Seem's like you are suggesting that driving an automatic isn't enjoyable. That's funny. I have a mere 3 speed automatic in my old Chevy but you have to manually shift it (doe's that matter?) I promise you the car isn't boring, you had better be paying attention when you mash the peddle. The same would apply in the A10 Camaro.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Some of you guys kill me with this auto/manual stuff...

OP...if you haven't decided, yet...I think it's a preference thing. Do what "feels" right, and don't look back - just enjoy the adventure!