[tone228]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

Right now I'm running on a Maggie tune and its a pretty good tune. Mileage is good and power level is great for no intercooler (coming soon). Made 484 rwhp on 6.4 lbs of boost and only 14 degrees of timing. Intercooler tune can run 18-19 degrees and make an additional 50hp plus 50 degree lower IAT's. So, 50 hp is a lot, but 2100 bucks is a lot also if you want the intercooler. Pick your medicine and either way your gonna out run most of the competition.

Yeah 50 hp is nice but I'm also thinking about the extra weight and complexity of the front mount. The best part is it's upgradable so I can always go bigger. Please report back after you upgrade, curious if the extra weight over the nose of the car has a noticeable affect on the handling or overall feel of the car. Damn, really wish you would've got to the track to make a run with the non-intercooled set up. Can't really find anyone with first hand experience with it.

[laynlo15]

I sure will, I'll weigh the parts before install. I'm guessing about 30 additional pounds

[BlancoSS]

Originally Posted by BrandX

Being that my car is in Florida, does the fact of this kit not having an intercooler have any influence on increasing engine temps.

Would a one range lower thermostat be helpful? or maybe a cold air intake?

Over 500 hp at the rear wheels would make this car a beast.

This will destroy your motor over time... Our motors were not built to handle boosted applications... people with intercoolers are seeing IAT temps in the 130-150 on normal driving.... without an intercooler and sitting directly on top of the motor i guarantee IAT will be over 175 in normal driving situations... all this extra heat leads to pre-igntion and knocking in the motor....

I am sorry Magnuson but this is a TERRIBLE idea..... Our motors cost over 11K new and you have not long term tested this on any vehicle.... not a good idea...

[laynlo15]

Its not going to be for everyone, very hot climates all year round will not be for the non intercooled. But to make the assumption that Magnuson is making a mistake by offering this as a starter for people who want a supercharger but don't want the expense of the intercooler till a later date is just off the mark. I started like that and now I'm adding the intercooler as others will. So, its gonna be ok and each can make his or her own choice.

[toohighpsi]

Originally Posted by BlancoSS

This will destroy your motor over time... Our motors were not built to handle boosted applications... people with intercoolers are seeing IAT temps in the 130-150 on normal driving.... without an intercooler and sitting directly on top of the motor i guarantee IAT will be over 175 in normal driving situations... all this extra heat leads to pre-igntion and knocking in the motor....

I am sorry Magnuson but this is a TERRIBLE idea..... Our motors cost over 11K new and you have not long term tested this on any vehicle.... not a good idea...

Actually this is one if the strong points of a DI engine, the ability to handle low octane fuel and run high static compression ratios. The LT1 is designed to run on 87 octane fuel, so it has plenty of margin for low boost on premium fuel, with or without an intercooler.

The Magnuson non-intercooled kits run a 10mm smaller pulley to provide less boost and have been thoroughly tested and calibrated to ensure that there is no danger of knock.

It is a very good entry level system that delivers similar performance to a full head, cam, intake, header install. When combined with a water injection system, can provide performance that rivals the intercooled systems in the market and the kit itself is fully upgradeable to be intercooled.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by BlancoSS

This will destroy your motor over time... Our motors were not built to handle boosted applications... people with intercoolers are seeing IAT temps in the 130-150 on normal driving.... without an intercooler and sitting directly on top of the motor i guarantee IAT will be over 175 in normal driving situations... all this extra heat leads to pre-igntion and knocking in the motor....

I am sorry Magnuson but this is a TERRIBLE idea..... Our motors cost over 11K new and you have not long term tested this on any vehicle.... not a good idea...

It will not destroy the engine nor will it cause any reliability problems.

You can safely put 5 psi of boost on Any Engine and Magnuson has done a great job with the lowest IAT we have seen in a non intercooled application.

Temps are roughly 10-20 degrees over ambient.

High intake temps do not cause engine failure alone only a bad tune combined with high IAT will cause engine failure.

I ran a non intercooled supercharger on my Big block chevy Crate engine also not built for boost with 11 psi on pump gas for 10 years and it is still going strong, And I used all of it when ever I could.

Ted.

[BlancoSS]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

It will not destroy the engine nor will it cause any reliability problems.

You can safely put 5 psi of boost on Any Engine and Magnuson has done a great job with the lowest IAT we have seen in a non intercooled application.

Temps are roughly 10-20 degrees over ambient.

High intake temps do not cause engine failure alone only a bad tune combined with high IAT will cause engine failure.

I ran a non intercooled supercharger on my Big block chevy Crate engine also not built for boost with 11 psi on pump gas for 10 years and it is still going strong, And I used all of it when ever I could.

Ted.

If you can provide some factual information such as actual data logs of IAT from this setup... All of the statements are nice about it only raises temps 10-20 degrees but i hope you understand if it was my 11k motor you would have to substantiate your claims... this is the internet you can say whatever whenever you want but I still operate on facts... If someone could data log a 30 min to hour long commute not getting into it in an area that is not currently 40 to 50 degrees outside and I bet you every dollar to my name you are nowhere even in the ballpark on ambient temps... the temps you claim are not even correct for those running intercooled setups of this... so i hope you are correct as id love to get this but i wont believe it until facts are provided and verifies by anybody other than those who make their living and support their families by selling and tuning these exact items.

I honestly apprecaite the feedback but I will be the one who says put up or shut up... if i am wrong I will formally admit and apologize to whom deserve.

In all due respect the guys at magnusson are great and knowledgeable and in no means do I claim to know more than any of you (i promise you i dont) not all of your competitors in the industry are honest and forethright which makes your job harder if you are honest and truthful.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by BlancoSS

If you can provide some factual information such as actual data logs of IAT from this setup... All of the statements are nice about it only raises temps 10-20 degrees but i hope you understand if it was my 11k motor you would have to substantiate your claims... this is the internet you can say whatever whenever you want but I still operate on facts... If someone could data log a 30 min to hour long commute not getting into it in an area that is not currently 40 to 50 degrees outside and I bet you every dollar to my name you are nowhere even in the ballpark on ambient temps... the temps you claim are not even correct for those running intercooled setups of this... so i hope you are correct as id love to get this but i wont believe it until facts are provided and verifies by anybody other than those who make their living and support their families by selling and tuning these exact items.

I honestly apprecaite the feedback but I will be the one who says put up or shut up... if i am wrong I will formally admit and apologize to whom deserve.

In all due respect the guys at magnusson are great and knowledgeable and in no means do I claim to know more than any of you (i promise you i dont) not all of your competitors in the industry are honest and forethright which makes your job harder if you are honest and truthful.

The Highest IAT occurs sitting in traffic not moving, once you begin moving the IAT comes down significantly, Every situation will give different results but the pattern will be the same.

The temp of the air entering the TB will be increased by about 10 degrees per PSI of boost at full throttle so an 80 degree day will produce about 130-140 degrees IAT at full power.

At low load cruising it could easily come within 10-20 degrees of ambient.

The point I am trying to make it that IAT does not destroy an engine like you stated in your opening statement.

At 11 psi boost I have seen IAT at 180 but with the correct timing it was never a problem.

High IAT does 2 things, it reduces density Making less power, and accelerates the burn rate.

The computer monitors IAT and backs off the timing according to the IAT so you always have optimum timing for that mixture.

Non intercooled will never make the same power as intercooled we know that, but this system is a great entry level system that is totally SAFE.

I wish I had time to go out and collect all the data but Magnuson has already done that for us and I trust them completely having a very long business relationship with them they have never steered me wrong.

Ted.

[Ian SS]

Originally Posted by BlancoSS

If you can provide some factual information such as actual data logs of IAT from this setup... All of the statements are nice about it only raises temps 10-20 degrees but i hope you understand if it was my 11k motor you would have to substantiate your claims... this is the internet you can say whatever whenever you want but I still operate on facts... If someone could data log a 30 min to hour long commute not getting into it in an area that is not currently 40 to 50 degrees outside and I bet you every dollar to my name you are nowhere even in the ballpark on ambient temps... the temps you claim are not even correct for those running intercooled setups of this... so i hope you are correct as id love to get this but i wont believe it until facts are provided and verifies by anybody other than those who make their living and support their families by selling and tuning these exact items.

I honestly apprecaite the feedback but I will be the one who says put up or shut up... if i am wrong I will formally admit and apologize to whom deserve.

In all due respect the guys at magnusson are great and knowledgeable and in no means do I claim to know more than any of you (i promise you i dont) not all of your competitors in the industry are honest and forethright which makes your job harder if you are honest and truthful.

Why don't you start with posting data logs that back up your claim that you'll see 175 IAT in normal driving conditions?

[BlancoSS]

Originally Posted by Ian SS

Why don't you start with posting data logs that back up your claim that you'll see 175 IAT in normal driving conditions?

If I only had a data logger and the magnusson... you would of had it an hour ago...I am not trying to sell the syatem I am looking to verify claims.... the internet is full of "claims"..... i hope I am being fair as possible like I have said I have no issues at all apologizing when and where I need to if I am incorrect, but as someone who has owned 3 previous twin screw top mount superchargers with IAT results of those applications I can speak from experience the claims dont make sense. (They were not magnusson two eaton and one whipple and all air to water intercooled)

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by toohighpsi

It is a very good entry level system that delivers similar performance to a full head, cam, intake, header install.

Actually, that internal motor work is not really needed to make comparable hp as this unit. Full Bolt On can pick up over 90hp, similar hp gain as this unit, but for less money. Since the topic is 'bang for your buck' I think this fact needed to be pointed out. Just correcting this misconception that you'd need to do a built engine to get the gain of this unit.

[laynlo15]

They are close to the same cost, however the Maggie keeps the mileage close the stock as mine has. Obviously some love the sound and performance of a cammed, header, etc setup and I've had those also. I just like the instant boost and killer mid range this blower has. I can't wait to get it back on the dyno this weekend. Intercooler is getting installed on Friday or Saturday. Its supposed to be here tomorrow and the tune goes in on Friday.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

Actually, that internal motor work is not really needed to make comparable hp as this unit. Full Bolt On can pick up over 90hp, similar hp gain as this unit, but for less money. Since the topic is 'bang for your buck' I think this fact needed to be pointed out. Just correcting this misconception that you'd need to do a built engine to get the gain of this unit.

These are just average numbers off the top of my head

Headers and exhaust 2000

Cam package 1800

Heads 2500

Custom tuning 600.

We already far exceeded the cost of the maggie and that is with no labor.

Ted.

[laynlo15]

Teds correct. Someone mentioned the extra weight, here is what I came up with, I weighed all the parts I took off and added the Maggie and intercooler. The weight gain is about 72 lbs total plus I'm guessing 1/2 gal of coolant and should see 135 to 140 hp gain and probably a little more since I'm changing the pulley also.