[crazydmc]

Originally Posted by SixgenSix

I love the chopped look and small windows of the 6th gen. I personally hope that doesn't change lol.

oh boy, It took so much for me not to reply to this BHobbs guy... and you did it! good luck.

[Wireeater]

Originally Posted by MiamiBlueCamaro

"The performance of the Camaro is definitely felt through tighter steering and more torque but it truly didn't feel mind blowing between my test drives "

I just stopped reading right there.....

Oh ya? Because you've compared both cars? I test drove both cars on highway, city roads and on some roads that had curves and twists. If you are trying to say that there's just a night and day difference between the both, I laugh.. I wouldn't expect you to think otherwise on a car you purchased... reality is, the difference is minimal between the SS and GT PP with standard road driving and cruising. The standard GT was 1 second slower on streets of willow over the GEN 6 Camaro... Put down the koolaid...

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by SixgenSix

I love the chopped look and small windows of the 6th gen. I personally hope that doesn't change lol.

I don't mind it so much. I put my elbow out the window while driving but I am tall enough that it's not uncomfortable. All I'm saying is they could have dropped the belt line a little to get some more visibility without ruining the looks.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by MiamiBlueCamaro

"The performance of the Camaro is definitely felt through tighter steering and more torque but it truly didn't feel mind blowing between my test drives "

I just stopped reading right there.....

And then proceeded to miss...

I still think the Camaro is a better car overall due to tech and performance

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by crazydmc

oh boy, It took so much for me not to reply to this BHobbs guy... and you did it! good luck.

Good luck for what? Does someone on the internet having a different opinion upset you that much?

It's clear from the sales that the Camaro has issues. I've adjusted to the 5th gen, and so did many people. People are adjusting to the 6th gen as well but visibility is and will continue to be an issue until GM addresses it. I've heard it from many people that have been in my car. It's been hammered home in review after review.

[camaro5]

Retire in peace Ed Welburn; (General Motors' Vice President of Global Design from 2003 to 2016.)

Do some fishin', relax.

Now, what is the NEW team up to right now?

Something different.





Also, how many suv's have to roll over before everyone snaps out of that trend.

Keep the utility, lower the damn things down. Like they get off-roaded.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by camaro5

Keep the utility, lower the damn things down. Like they get off-roaded.

Pretty much what a wagon is..... Americans for some reason hate wagons...

I don't know.... Wagons can be pretty bad ass....

[FenwickHockey65]

Hnnngggggg. Do want.

[2016SS]

Not bad if there all sold in Canada at 50G a pop lol be like 179,400000 ( I'm kidding ) oh well I love a rare car over a over populated mustang any day! Nothing worst then being like everyone else!

[ssrs2lt]

Not suprising but lower than expected fur shiz. Right now trucks , SUVs are selling..side note saw a 50 yr anniversary SS and that thing looked awesome!

[Miller79]

Excuses of it being winter don't make sense as numbers are down compared to same time last year.

Comparisons of Mustang to Camaro are pointless as well. Both are down from last year. Sure, Mustangs are down only 33% to Camaro's 35%, but that's 33% of a larger sales number, meaning there were nearly 2500 fewer Mustangs bought this year compared to 2000 fewer Camaros.

At least that's how I see it.

As to why this is happening, I have no clue.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by Miller79

Excuses of it being winter don't make sense as numbers are down compared to same time last year.

Comparisons of Mustang to Camaro are pointless as well. Both are down from last year. Sure, Mustangs are down only 33% to Camaro's 35%, but that's 33% of a larger sales number, meaning there were nearly 2500 fewer Mustangs bought this year compared to 2000 fewer Camaros.

At least that's how I see it.

As to why this is happening, I have no clue.

This is true, however...the mustang is near the end of it's 3rd model year with styling updates, a new engine and transmissions as well as other goodies. How much of an affect this has on mustang sales is anyone's guess, but it does have an affect.

Sales will continue to go up for all through the summer, where the mustang will receive another spike with the new MY18. Imagine the shitstorm that would happen if January sales next year fall below 3000 for any of the 3.

[Drew66]

Originally Posted by Wireeater

I really don't come in here to troll, I like the Camaro, but I know some will take offense to my comment but either way:

As someone who cross shopped both, I can see why the Camaro is struggling to outsell. From a performance perspective it is a great car. On paper, the numbers look triumphing. For previous, loyal Camaro owner the decision to upgrade to another Camaro will be easy. You know the brand, you know the car, you know the engine, you know the reliability.

Then you have someone like me, which represent more of the car buying market than enthusiastic and loyal customers. When I went to test out the Camaro back in June I only had 2 cars I wanted. Either the G6 Camaro or the G6 Mustang.

I test drove both and decided overall, the Mustang with just a better all around package. The exterior (which is subjective) of the Camaro some what struggles to flow from front to back. The side of the car has a great profile, slighter slimmer than G5 but it still was not a huge change over the previous gen. The car has too many conflicting angles. Some angles the car look great (mostly from the front/side) and some of the angles just are kind of, meh. The rear of the car struggles to identify with the Camaros we are use to seeing. I have a large group of car friends, very diverse and when most of them see the new Camaro (with the exception of my LS fanboi buddies) just seem to have a hard time finding the car too appealing and they always reference back to the Mustang just look more complete, with a flowing design and I agree.

The interior of the Camaro has awesome interface and gadgets but overall, it felt like it was trying to hard. The interior in the Mustang just felt more comfortable to me. The dash, bezels and everything just seemed to present themselves better with the car. They still give it that old school feeling with modern flair. The interior also offered what seems to be a decent amount of room and visibility over the Camaro. I'm not a huge guy so I am never struggling for room but I do have a son who rides in the car with me when I take it out. Have just the little extra room to move around, kick the seat up, etc helped. The trunk of the Camaro reminded me of the EVO X. Very small compared to the Mustang. Again, who buys the cars for these things. Not the people looking to own an awesome, fast sports car, but it's nice having something when you need it.

The performance of the Camaro is definitely felt through tighter steering and more torque but it truly didn't feel mind blowing between my test drives (SS VS GT PP). Add in the fact that the Mustang tends to offer a bigger aftermarket for those who like to mod their car I basically felt that I could sacrifice a 1/2-1 second of performance and just toss a little money at it later. Upside to Camaro, responds much better to NA mods. Downside, FI doesn't seem to be as robust as the Mustang GT. Coyote is a proving block, with plenty of cars pushing 700-800whp without issue.

Last factor was price. When I was looking in June, every dealer that had an SS on the lot, was spec'd out 2SS, not a single one being under 40k. I don't like to order cars because I don't have the patience. I like to walk on a lot, find something I like and get it. One lot had 10 SS, not a single one would budge on the price. Cheapest was 38k. I wasn't looking for that. I got my PP GT for 33k before TTL. I am all about the bang for your buck. Did my GT come with all of the amenities, not really but they were features I was not looking for in a car that would not be my DD.

In the end the Mustang won me not because it was the fastest (but on the street, the difference really isn't that huge), but because overall it had more things going for it to be an all around, enjoyable car.

I still think the Camaro is a better car overall due to tech and performance but I think Chevrolet killed it when they introduced it with limited advertising. The looks were too similar to the Gen 5 for people who weren't diehards. The price points were too high which then failed to get a lot of them on the road which in return get's other people curious when they seem them. When you start to see a lot of the same cars on a road, as a buyer you are going to assume that theres is a reason why, it's a great car. They missed the opportunity for word of mouth and line of sight sales.

Sure these are all my opinions, but I am a enthusiast of many cars, never have been brand loyal. My money goes where it's spent the best.

I think using weather, politics, etc are just turning blind eyes. The sales are low compared to other year. A business objective is to continually grow over the years, not shrink in the market. At most they want to come even with the previous years. The Camaro seems to be struggling against the competition and the unfortunate part is, the things that aren't helping it sell are things that can't be changed until the next generation. The question is, how will these sales affect the future of the Camaro?

I would highly consider a 1LE on my next purchase assuming they change some of the things I talked about which swayed me more towards the Mustang.

That's what makes America wonderful place. Freedom to choose whatever cheeses your macaroni and the right to express your opinion. I test drove both and came up with an exact opposite opinion. The only difference is I didn't join a mustang forum and try to convince the members that their car is substandard to what I chose based on subjective measurements.

Do what you want to do, like what you want, buy whatever makes you happy.

I had an English professor that always said "everything after a BUT is often a lie"

Have a nice evening
Drew

[SpeedIsLife]

If you were to believe past sales months analysis...half the car buying population is holding out for the ZL1/GT500/Z28/GT350/1LE/etc etc.

The reality is that typically when new models are announced you don't see a huge spike or dip in sales..the amount of people on the fence is fairly small.