[LesBaer]

Originally Posted by Eddie2016rscamaro

Ok guys so finally i put away a little money sold my offroad toy too and now i can buy a supercharger. I was interested in the procharger due to its price and ease of installation.(i work at a chevy dealership one of my techs said he will do it during the weekend) but im not impressed with torque numbers. The edlebrock seemed pricey but they have better numbers and comes with a 3 year warranty. I've also seen people install the lt4 supercharger on the Lt1 i haven't researched this option to much but i hear if i can find someone to install it that the numbers are incredible. This is my daily driver car and i do travel in it so reliability is a must i don't really go to the track all that much but hey I've always dreamed of a zl1 so this is my budget version (i love my ss). Cost is important to me but i don't mind spending a little extra if its a big difference so far i'm leaning towards the procharger

I would do a lot of research on the ProCharger before buying anything since it's a DD. Prochargers haven't really changed much fundamentally in over 10 years. They're great bang for your buck until the seals go and those use to be proprietary parts, which means it has to go back to ProCharger. That would translate into a 3 week or more wait. It's similar to a turbo but belt driven. The hoses weren't the best quality either - but I haven't looked at a PC in a few years now. They may have improved and you may be able to find replacement parts easier. They're pretty popular with C7 guys, but I agree that a positive displacement blower is more fun to drive.

[Perdieu]

Originally Posted by LesBaer

I would do a lot of research on the ProCharger before buying anything since it's a DD. Prochargers haven't really changed much fundamentally in over 10 years. They're great bang for your buck until the seals go and those use to be proprietary parts, which means it has to go back to ProCharger. That would translate into a 3 week or more wait. It's similar to a turbo but belt driven. The hoses weren't the best quality either - but I haven't looked at a PC in a few years now. They may have improved and you may be able to find replacement parts easier. They're pretty popular with C7 guys, but I agree that a positive displacement blower is more fun to drive.

Great post and good info.

I do know as of late turn around time on non-race stuff is less then 10 days for the most part. Plus the car is still drivable without the blower so you can still DD if needed ... and if you ask nicely it can be fixed even quicker

[LesBaer]

Originally Posted by Perdieu

Great post and good info.

I do know as of late turn around time on non-race stuff is less then 10 days for the most part. Plus the car is still drivable without the blower so you can still DD if needed ... and if you ask nicely it can be fixed even quicker

Oh thanks Yeah they run off of the belt that runs all of your secondary stuff so you would just need to take it off. I don't know if people are getting more mileage out of them now but I remember them needing to be rebuilt after a while like a turbo. It's good to hear that they're turning them around sooner now. I remember people used to get desperate and try to do it themselves by "making" their own seals years ago...not a good idea LOL.

[Eddie2016rscamaro]

ok guys as i was about to order my procharger I see the maggie non intercooled this one also fits my budget but i live in phoenix az temps get up to 120 degrees here and this is my daily driver how safe would this one be ?

[LesBaer]

I can't speak to that one. My recommendation though would be to wait until you can swing the whole thing if you have any plans of going beyond the stock boost and get the full Maggie. I think it addresses heat soak the best out of everything out there, so you should be able to get some serous power out of it.

Also, don't worry about the warranties with these things...they're all garbage and BS marketing tools to generate sales. You'll never get paid out if something goes wrong, especially the full amount.

[JaxChris]

Originally Posted by Eddie2016rscamaro

ok guys as i was about to order my procharger I see the maggie non intercooled this one also fits my budget but i live in phoenix az temps get up to 120 degrees here and this is my daily driver how safe would this one be ?

This thread is for you:
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=474769

Ted answers your questions.

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by Eddie2016rscamaro

ok guys as i was about to order my procharger I see the maggie non intercooled this one also fits my budget but i live in phoenix az temps get up to 120 degrees here and this is my daily driver how safe would this one be ?

My opinion is, a non-intercooled supercharger in a hot place like you live would be a bad choice. The IATs will be very high, which means the power will be disappointing after spending so much money. My guess is the Procharger, which has an intercooler included, would give you more hp for your money than that unit.

[laynlo15]

I believe you can buy a Maggie for under 7k with the intercooler and if you can tune your own car you can make 540 rwhp without any issues. I did try the non intercooled package and it made 484. Now I'm going to install the intercooler and I should be in the 540-560's depending on the pulley I use. You will have higher IAT's with the non intercooled setup and probably need the intercooled package in the Pheonix are. You have to decide if you want instant boost as you'll get with the Maggie or delayed boost as you'll get with the procharger. I have a buddy of mine who has the dyno we go to all the time and his only made 513 with a P1 procharger. Its your money we are just trying to give you the best info we can.

[Eddie2016rscamaro]

ok i think my best bet would be to wait and get a maggie intercooled thanks everyone for your advice !!

[1LE801]

Originally Posted by Eddie2016rscamaro

ok i think my best bet would be to wait and get a maggie intercooled thanks everyone for your advice !!

I am beyond happy with the Maggie HB. In AZ, I'm gonna say the intercooler is a MUST. You aren't that far from JDP in Utah. They are excellent.

One more thing, a boosted car in AZ could really benefit from Methanol injection. I know It's more money but it will eliminate the worries of high IATs. It will provide safeguards against detonation while making more power at the same time. I'm fairly versed in such things so feel free to ask me whatever. Good luck! You're in for a treat.

[LesBaer]

Isn't meth injection kind of on the risky side for someone just starting out?

[EDFHOBBIES]

If you run the blower as they come from the manufacturer and don't have any plans for further increases it's hard to beat the motor warranty that eforce or eldelbrock offers. There claims are on the money 580 to the wheels with there can tune on a dynojet or 553 on a mustang dyno the torque was the most of the blowers aswell especially the centrifugal. They got a bad wrap on the LS3 but the LT1 is different story.. everyone is talking about the IAT'S and I know why.. it took about 3 mos. to get the air or pockets of air out of the blowers heatexchanger/ intercooler system. If I would of jacked up the nose got the small fill tune to the highest point it could of bypassed the time.

Reguardless of what you chose the fuel system won't do much more than where all the kits are you will need band aides like meth to lower temps or raise octane to increase power..

A cam shaft change will be required to increase the fuel lobe since the high side is driven off it. Probably a 4k part and labor task then through in another 1500 for lt4 pump and injectors.. now yout in it so take the heads off and knock the compression back to 10:1 or so.. this is pricey job since the motor has to be pulled unlike the ls3 where you can get the timing cover and oil pan off thanks to silicon and gaskets the LT1 is all tight clearanced and use high temp rtv to seal it.. so to do it right pull the motor..

I haven't noticed high iats like I did in the LS3 I could feel the hp loss once the temps got up.. in the LT1 I can't hardly feel any loss at all.. the shop made 3 passes no cool downs with idle and computer tweaks.. all passes on the mustang where 551 to 553 rwhp.. if that been my old ls3 it been 620 on cold pass then probably 525 once it got hot..

Here is a ZL1 with no cam mods running half 93 and half e85 maybe e77 or abouts, smaller pulley, and 1 3/4 headers vs eforce on 93 and tiny Borla 1 5/8 headers.. Zl1 2nd gear.. SS 3rd gear. Pretty close pulls but wife was driving .. He dynoed 630 w e85 and we dynoed 570 on the same dyno on 93.. if he was on 93 she would of had him I think he did 570 something aswell on 93.

https://youtu.be/bruKdOcKHAc


There all good choices.. if you going all out later on I'd get a AGP turbo kit or custom turbo kit. That was the best decision I ever made on my 5tg gen.. sitting at 746 to the wheels on 93 with no band aides! (Meth)

[LesBaer]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

If you run the blower as they come from the manufacturer and don't have any plans for further increases it's hard to beat the motor warranty that eforce or eldelbrock offers. There claims are on the money 580 to the wheels with there can tune on a dynojet or 553 on a mustang dyno the torque was the most of the blowers aswell especially the centrifugal. They got a bad wrap on the LS3 but the LT1 is different story.. everyone is talking about the IAT'S and I know why.. it took about 3 mos. to get the air or pockets of air out of the blowers heatexchanger/ intercooler system. If I would of jacked up the nose got the small fill tune to the highest point it could of bypassed the time.

Reguardless of what you chose the fuel system won't do much more than where all the kits are you will need band aides like meth to lower temps or raise octane to increase power..

A cam shaft change will be required to increase the fuel lobe since the high side is driven off it. Probably a 4k part and labor task then through in another 1500 for lt4 pump and injectors.. now yout in it so take the heads off and knock the compression back to 10:1 or so.. this is pricey job since the motor has to be pulled unlike the ls3 where you can get the timing cover and oil pan off thanks to silicon and gaskets the LT1 is all tight clearanced and use high temp rtv to seal it.. so to do it right pull the motor..

I haven't noticed high iats like I did in the LS3 I could feel the hp loss once the temps got up.. in the LT1 I can't hardly feel any loss at all.. the shop made 3 passes no cool downs with idle and computer tweaks.. all passes on the mustang where 551 to 553 rwhp.. if that been my old ls3 it been 620 on cold pass then probably 525 once it got hot..

Here is a ZL1 with no cam mods running half 93 and half e85 maybe e77 or abouts, smaller pulley, and 1 3/4 headers vs eforce on 93 and tiny Borla 1 5/8 headers.. Zl1 2nd gear.. SS 3rd gear. Pretty close pulls but wife was driving .. He dynoed 630 w e85 and we dynoed 570 on the same dyno on 93.. if he was on 93 she would of had him I think he did 570 something aswell on 93.

https://youtu.be/bruKdOcKHAc


There all good choices.. if you going all out later on I'd get a AGP turbo kit or custom turbo kit. That was the best decision I ever made on my 5tg gen.. sitting at 746 to the wheels on 93 with no band aides! (Meth)

Yeah that's pretty close to what they're doing to mine right now



I just wouldn't put ANY stock in ANY of the warranties. Do some research and you'll see how claims are handled. The complaints are endless. They might say the name of the company who makes the blower is the one warrantying everything when you're buying it, but when you file a claim you deal with a 3rd party. I work with contracts on a daily basis and these warranty agreements for all of them are designed to give the consumer a false sense of security while really just limiting the manufacturer's liability.

Make sure you read your paperwork carefully if this is important to you.

[EDFHOBBIES]

Originally Posted by LesBaer

Yeah that's pretty close to what they're doing to mine right now



I just wouldn't put ANY stock in ANY of the warranties. Do some research and you'll see how claims are handled. The complaints are endless. They might say the name of the company who makes the blower is the one warrantying everything when you're buying it, but when you file a claim you deal with a 3rd party. I work with contracts on a daily basis and these warranty agreements for all of them are designed to give the consumer a false sense of security while really just limiting the manufacturer's liability.

Make sure you read your paperwork carefully if this is important to you.

I haven't found one article where a eforce blower customer tried to warranty there engine I have been looking. I do know since ours was a sponsored car by them I check to see how it's handled. . If you change anything.. the tune, headers, cold air kit.. your turned down. That's why I implied run it as came from the manufacturer. They send a representative to inspect the car to see if it was installed correctly and not modified. . They do do everythingto get out of it I'm sure.

Please post your finding on the 16 eforce systems where they turned down customers instead of generalized working for a 3rd party warranty claim company. To my knowledge they didn't offer this on my LS3 blower when I registered it.. I do know they sent me parts up to 5 years for free never asking for any money what's so ever. They even changed the bearings and did a pm service for free I sent them to inspect the blower to make ready for a sale to get a clean bill of health in order to get the most money out of it. NC ever..

I would suggest calling eforce and talk with ed in the calibration dept or chris in customer service to get the facts..

Calibration@edelbrock.com