[aa406079]

Originally Posted by Nabush

All of you thanks for your answers

It's clear that the bang for buck of the 1LE is unbeatable...

It's sure i'll be able to buy a 1LE cash, it's not sure for the GS since i also will have to buy a Colorado V6 Z71 (around 30k$) for the mountain and snow trips...

So $$ is an important subject...But man i love the widebody vettes ....

I'll see where my finance will be at my arrival to make my choice...

Concerning the color, i'm between hyperblue and white for the 1LE... the GS i like dark grey, blue and yellow...

I was EXACTLY in your boat... even the color choices...

Bottom line for me was a 1LE will give you 90-95% of the performance of a grandsport... and the GS sticky but super soft tires will barely last you 750-1000 miles .... the good years on the Camaro are supposed to be longer lasting...

Money is a big factor.... like you I can't go without a sports car for long....

However in Canada ... the difference in price was almost $40,000 .... one could almost buy 2 1LE 's for price of one 2LT GS....

Also I like to tinker.... that leaves almost not of money to mod my car to be LIGHTER.... and eventually more naturally aspirated power ....see my signature for my project car.

Don't forget insurance....can be a big difference...the technology of the Camaro is newer and better...

If all continues as planned... I will reduce the weight by 150 lbs ( equivalent sprung weight) that will be about 3580 lbs... within 150 of a C7 GS...

( 0r 77 lb sprung, 28 lbs unsprung weight)

And there's more left on the table including an aluminum driveshaft and lighter/ better clutch...


By the way... the wet sump in the Camaro is good to 1.2 lateral G....

The was tested and proven by AL Oppenheiser and the Camari6 team.

[Nabush]

Originally Posted by formoutofchaos

My wife loved th vette , hated the camaro until she got into it now she loves the camaro ! But misses the vette for th flashy top off just a little

I know my wife's tastes : i don't think she'll like the Camaro one day, but in fact i don't really care since it will be my car...

Originally Posted by ban25

As a fellow track enthusiast and Z owner (2009 370Z), I've been reading this thread with great interest. I typically do 20 track days a year all over California and the recent dominance of American sports cars on the track is undeniable, from the Viper ACR to the new Camaro, they have my attention! Personally, I'm interested in seeing if a new Camaro Z/28 is introduced this year, as that should be a track monster. I'm also keeping my eye out for the rumored mid-engine Corvette...that could be something really special. Ideally, I would get one of these two and then convert my 370Z from mostly race car to fully race car.

One thing that has me leaning in the Corvette's direction is the dry sump. I'm on my third VQ motor on account of oiling issues -- this one is fully built, forged bottom end, big cam, racing oil pan with active baffles, and long tube headers. That said, it would be nice not to have to worry about the problem with my next car. If the Z/28 is dry sump, that would probably make the decision for me.

I'm curious to hear your experience! What tracks do you run in Europe?

Cheers!

-Brian

Hi,

Gen 6 Z28 will be great i'm sure

Concerning my Z, i never had any oiling issue, in use a baffled and bigger oil pan with a higher oil level, 19 rows oil cooler. (i also have PPE Long tubes headers with single exhaust, AP Racing brakes 6 pots, Track coilovers, race bushings (SPL), Cusco uppers arms, whiteline anti roll bars, quaife diff... etc. But to note i don't use slicks, only 265/35 18 Toyo R888R square setup.

Perhaps are you using slicks ? I'm sure you also had fuel starvation problems with a 370Z (no problems on 350Z) no ?

The best way to solve your oiling problems would be to use an accusump; i've seen some 350Z on slicks with that. Did you consider it ?

I'm at one hour of Le Mans and other tracks

And i track various french tracks around my place (Lohéac, Fay de Bretagne, Fontenay le comte, Croix en Ternois...)

Originally Posted by aa406079

I was EXACTLY in your boat... even the color choices...

Bottom line for me was a 1LE will give you 90-95% of the performance of a grandsport... and the GS sticky but super soft tires will barely last you 750-1000 miles .... the good years on the Camaro are supposed to be longer lasting...

Money is a big factor.... like you I can't go without a sports car for long....

However in Canada ... the difference in price was almost $40,000 .... one could almost buy 2 1LE 's for price of one 2LT GS....

Also I like to tinker.... that leaves almost not of money to mod my car to be LIGHTER.... and eventually more naturally aspirated power ....see my signature for my project car.

Don't forget insurance....can be a big difference...the technology of the Camaro is newer and better...

If all continues as planned... I will reduce the weight by 150 lbs ( equivalent sprung weight)

( 0r 77 lb sprung, 28 lbs unsprung weight)

And there's more left on the table including an aluminum driveshaft and lighter/ better clutch...


By the way... the wet sump in the Camaro is good to 1.2 lateral G....

The was tested and proven by AL Oppenheiser and the Camari6 team.

Great we have the same tastes

It's sure if the 1LE is 2x times cheaper in Canada no need to hesitate

I love doing performance tuning on my cars...mostly because i love doing it myself... but it's such a waste of money...i spent nearly 18k$ in parts in my 350Z and i lost everything a the resale... I'm not sure i will do it again...Although i didn't planned initialy to go to the US and the sell my Z, i just had an opportunity i could'nt refuse...

I know the Michelin PSCUP2, i tried them on my 350Z and on my Megane trophy 275 Trophy (fastest FWD around the nurburgring in 2014 or 2015) . They are crappy when cold, in the rain, and when outside temperatures are below 15°C....And they worn out really really fast...I found the sidewall are too soft... don't like them a lot. Not sure i will keep them if i take a Z07 vette package...There are better tires out there (AD08R, Direzza DZ03G...)

1.2G on a wet sump is quite good, but easily achievable with slicks....

1.2G is the max of the GS Z07 if i remember well (1.06g without, but mostly because of the tires)

[Zap city]

Originally Posted by aa406079

I was EXACTLY in your boat... even the color choices...

Bottom line for me was a 1LE will give you 90-95% of the performance of a grandsport... and the GS sticky but super soft tires will barely last you 750-1000 miles .... the good years on the Camaro are supposed to be longer lasting...

Without the Z07 package, the standard michelins will last you roughly 20K miles of street driving. Just sayin.

[Nabush]

Originally Posted by Zap city

Without the Z07 package, the standard michelins will last you roughly 20K miles of street driving. Just sayin.

Yes the Michelin PSS last long

[ban25]

Originally Posted by Nabush

Hi,

Gen 6 Z28 will be great i'm sure

Concerning my Z, i never had any oiling issue, in use a baffled and bigger oil pan with a higher oil level, 19 rows oil cooler. (i also have PPE Long tubes headers with single exhaust, AP Racing brakes 6 pots, Track coilovers, race bushings (SPL), Cusco uppers arms, whiteline anti roll bars, quaife diff... etc. But to note i don't use slicks, only 265/35 18 Toyo R888R square setup.

Perhaps are you using slicks ? I'm sure you also had fuel starvation problems with a 370Z (no problems on 350Z) no ?

The best way to solve your oiling problems would be to use an accusump; i've seen some 350Z on slicks with that. Did you consider it ?

I'm at one hour of Le Mans and other tracks

And i track various french tracks around my place (Lohéac, Fay de Bretagne, Fontenay le comte,

I run Bridgestone RE-71Rs, which aren't slicks, but close and arguably faster than NT01s. Also, full SPL suspension (camber arms, bushings, etc.), Nismo struts/springs, Hotchkiss sway-bar, OS Giken clutch and LSD, and the list goes on. I've hit 1.3G at several tracks, though no issues since I went to the CJM oil pan. Accusump is something I may consider when going full racecar, but it has some downsides otherwise (where to put it? They tend to exhaust oil pressure too quickly for long sweepers, etc).

I had severe fuel starvation issues (starving with 16 gal in the tank!) until I went to the CJM Road Race Pump.

Having experienced and fixed all these problems on the Z, I don't want to go through it again, so I'm doing lots of research and talking to guys at the track who are running Camaros and Corvettes to see what issues they have. C7 has cooling issues, but that's manageable (already have a 34-row cooler on my 370). I would either order it without the carbon ceramic brakes and maybe go to an AP Racing kit like yours, or just run StopTech rotors.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by aa406079

I was EXACTLY in your boat... even the color choices...

Bottom line for me was a 1LE will give you 90-95% of the performance of a grandsport... and the GS sticky but super soft tires will barely last you 750-1000 miles .... the good years on the Camaro are supposed to be longer lasting...

Money is a big factor.... like you I can't go without a sports car for long....

However in Canada ... the difference in price was almost $40,000 .... one could almost buy 2 1LE 's for price of one 2LT GS....

Also I like to tinker.... that leaves almost not of money to mod my car to be LIGHTER.... and eventually more naturally aspirated power ....see my signature for my project car.

Don't forget insurance....can be a big difference...the technology of the Camaro is newer and better...

If all continues as planned... I will reduce the weight by 150 lbs ( equivalent sprung weight)

( 0r 77 lb sprung, 28 lbs unsprung weight)

And there's more left on the table including an aluminum driveshaft and lighter/ better clutch...


By the way... the wet sump in the Camaro is good to 1.2 lateral G....

The was tested and proven by AL Oppenheiser and the Camari6 team.

What does this include? Thanks.

[Richard0nee]

I would say in my opinion the only thing in the interior that is more modern in the Camaro vs the C7 Vette is the Mylink Icons and some of the layout. I like the look of the ones in the Camaro more. Everything else the Vette is better.

C7 Mylink


Camaro Mylink



Vette audio


Camaro audio

[WhyUMad1LE]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

What does this include? Thanks.

The backup camera! Also a capacitive touchscreen.

[glamcem]

If you are planning to track your car going with the Grandsport with the Z07 package seems like a better option, especially since they're specifically tuned for the more aggressive tires (not the street tires like Michelin PSS) .. If you want to go with the base Grandsport, you will need to have some sort of third party MRC tuning and that only tunes the MRC but not the PTM or for other driving modes


I was also having hard time deciding between the GS Z07 vs Camaro 1LE as an owner of two Corvettes in the past.. then I noticed that I want to go with the 1LE this time because it's track ready (well still needs better pads and track capable fluids of course) and it costs about 20-25k less than the Grandsport.. In short, financially it makes a lot more sense to go with a 1LE

Grandsport with Z07 package still doesn't have some of the standard features that a 1LE does..:
-Recaro, HUD, suede interior..etc

In addition to that, unlike the previous generations, the weight difference is not 500 lbs anymore (more like 300 lbs now) .. shaving 25-30 lbs of rotational mass, adding a better tires and add a bit more power also makes the 1LE is a great alternative..

Looks and feel are all subjective things so it's all up to you to decide to pay the premium for the Vette..it sounds like you also try to get the most out of it for the money

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Richard0nee

I would say in my opinion the only thing in the interior that is more modern in the Camaro vs the C7 Vette is the Mylink Icons and some of the layout. I like the look of the ones in the Camaro more. Everything else the Vette is better.

C7 Mylink


Camaro Mylink



Vette audio


Camaro audio

Thanks. The screen is nice.

Originally Posted by WhyUMad1LE

The backup camera! Also a capacitive touchscreen.

Is there a difference in the Camaro vs Corvette backup camera?

[Zap city]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Thanks. The screen is nice.


Is there a difference in the Camaro vs Corvette backup camera?

Yes, camera quality is much clearer and it has audible warnings. There are more differences between the infotainment systems than just icons too. I hate the system in my vette. Its so buggy and slow. Its always hanging up and forgetting presets. The one in the camaro worked beautifully. Also, the sound quality of the voice recognition and phone functions are way better in the camaro as well. You can tell the whole system was more recently designed. I wish they would do a mid-cycle update and add the system updates from the camaro to the vette. Touch screen is way more responsive as well.

[Richard0nee]

Originally Posted by Zap city

Yes, camera quality is much clearer and it has audible warnings. There are more differences between the infotainment systems than just icons too. I hate the system in my vette. Its so buggy and slow. Its always hanging up and forgetting presets. The one in the camaro worked beautifully. Also, the sound quality of the voice recognition and phone functions are way better in the camaro as well. You can tell the whole system was more recently designed. I wish they would do a mid-cycle update and add the system updates from the camaro to the vette. Touch screen is way more responsive as well.

That's what I noticed too that the Mylink in the Camaro works better and looks better. Pretty disappointing that GM didn't update it for the 16+ Vettes.. makes no sense. Heck, they didn't do it for the 17's either. This is probably the only thing the Camaro has over the Vette.. Def not a deal breaker but C'mon GM lol. They don't need a mid-cycle to update Mylink either see 15 GT Ford My Touch to 16 GT Sync 3.

[Nabush]

Originally Posted by glamcem

If you are planning to track your car going with the Grandsport with the Z07 package seems like a better option, especially since they're specifically tuned for the more aggressive tires (not the street tires like Michelin PSS) .. If you want to go with the base Grandsport, you will need to have some sort of third party MRC tuning and that only tunes the MRC but not the PTM or for other driving modes


I was also having hard time deciding between the GS Z07 vs Camaro 1LE as an owner of two Corvettes in the past.. then I noticed that I want to go with the 1LE this time because it's track ready (well still needs better pads and track capable fluids of course) and it costs about 20-25k less than the Grandsport.. In short, financially it makes a lot more sense to go with a 1LE

Grandsport with Z07 package still doesn't have some of the standard features that a 1LE does..:
-Recaro, HUD, suede interior..etc

In addition to that, unlike the previous generations, the weight difference is not 500 lbs anymore (more like 300 lbs now) .. shaving 25-30 lbs of rotational mass, adding a better tires and add a bit more power also makes the 1LE is a great alternative..

Looks and feel are all subjective things so it's all up to you to decide to pay the premium for the Vette..it sounds like you also try to get the most out of it for the money

Thanks for your opinion. How does the 1LE compare to the C6 GS if you don't take in consideration the technology. Just pure driving. Thanks

The C6 GS was also an option but i find it feels old now...

[1LE801]

Both excellent cars. I've just always been a Camaro guy. I also have two small children that LOVE to go fast so that also necessitates the Camaro. You could make one hell of a track car out of a 1LE for much less money. Good luck, OP. You won't be disappointed either way.