[race2win]

For those of you surprised/upset about the V6 1LE classing...are you surprised/upset because you were actually seriously considering buying one/currently own one and planned to compete at SCCA events in FS? Or surprised/upset because the car "seems to fit" FS?

Serious question.

[Egon]

Originally Posted by race2win

For those of you surprised/upset about the V6 1LE classing...are you surprised/upset because you were actually seriously considering buying one/currently own one and planned to compete at SCCA events in FS? Or surprised/upset because the car "seems to fit" FS?

Serious question.

There are some really fantastic drivers in SCCA (Randy Pobst started there) and many of these guys will pick cars specifically for their competitive advantage in order to be successful, either for contingency money or to advance a career in racing. (or just to win damnit) If a good car is placed in a class where it has no chance of it ever being successful good drivers will never buy them and the cars will never get the recognition they deserve. The old adage, win on Sunday, sell on Monday is true to some degree and buzz about a car at the grassroots motorsports level eventually does get around and can affect the perception of the general populace. One only needs to look at the Nissan GT-R fanboy community to see this in action. When anyone posts a negative comment about the GT-R 5000 fanboys descend upon them to correct their statements. And while I don't want to turn everyone into Camaro fanboys, I do want the Camaro to be successful, and I want Chevrolet to continue to make these speciality models that appeal to track addicts and autocrossers. Being successful at the grassroots level, and having them be a topic for discussion helps that.

And I just realized after posting this that I was responding to Mark Scroggs one of those great drivers I was referring to. You are the perfect example of what I am saying here. I will be following your progress closely in 2017.

[Elevenbravo]

I'm not surprised by the classing. I think they made the best decision they could for the club. On another note, I think the C6Z should still be in SS.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by MatthewAMEL

The C5Z and C6Z guys in my region are already talking smack about how the 1LE can't be competitive. It's going to be fun finding out.

As a former C5Z owner, I can tell you 100% same driver, same day, it would be no contest. While my C5Z was quite the car, especially at the time, the SS 1LE is on another level. As for the C6Z, I have driven a few, but not a 100% as they weren't mine, but that should be a pretty close contest.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by COmaro

Looking at those lists, clearly there is some payola going on. The V6 1LE is in the same class as the ATS-V? Wow. Cadillac flashed some cash I guess, along with BMW to get cars like the 1M Coupe in that same class.

I really doubt Cadillac or BMW cares what SCCA autocross class their cars are in...

[whiteboyblues2001]

Meanwhile, the Pill is going on and on about how "I think the SCCA's placement of the 1LE in FS is an embarrassment to the Camaro."

WTF is he talking about? Does he live in an alternate universe? See below:

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/show...=71181&page=10

[Egon]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Meanwhile, the Pill is going on and on about how "I think the SCCA's placement of the 1LE in FS is an embarrassment to the Camaro."

WTF is he talking about? Does he live in an alternate universe? See below:

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/show...=71181&page=10

The guy is an idiot. That is a response in SCCA Fasttrack news from someone asking for the 1LE to be classed in FS and the SCCA's response was not at this time. Currently and I believe for the near future the 1LE will remain in AS like it or not. He also apparently doesn't know that the Ecoboost Mustang has been moved to DS along with a load of other cars. If someone wants to go over there and correct him be my guest.

[JRL1LE]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

As a former C5Z owner, I can tell you 100% same driver, same day, it would be no contest. While my C5Z was quite the car, especially at the time, the SS 1LE is on another level. As for the C6Z, I have driven a few, but not a 100% as they weren't mine, but that should be a pretty close contest.

I had a C5Z also, that I autoxed and tracked for 10 years. I loved that car but I love this car and all the new technology.
I think it will be tough to keep up with the C5 & C6Z06's because of lighter weight, we'll see.
Can't wait to get this thing on course and track.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by Egon

The guy is an idiot. That is a response in SCCA Fasttrack news from someone asking for the 1LE to be classed in FS and the SCCA's response was not at this time. Currently and I believe for the near future the 1LE will remain in AS like it or not. He also apparently doesn't know that the Ecoboost Mustang has been moved to DS along with a load of other cars. If someone wants to go over there and correct him be my guest.

Yes, I usually just ignore what he says, but I don't know how SCCA handles their classifications so I just wanted a sanity check. I usually just assume the truth is the opposite of whatever that guy is spouting off about. He seems to be wrong more than the weather man. I don't post over on that forum, I just like to check in to see what's the latest news with the Mustang (can't wait to see what the GT500 brings to the table, are they still going to make the GT350?, etc...), so I won't be the one to bring him the bad news, and it would probably take an army of psychiatrists to "correct" him in any way.

But getting back to the topic at hand, I have autocrossed twice with my old Gen5 V6 Camaro, but it was just for fun (not to necessarily win, I just wanted to drive like crazy without going to jail). So, what is the prevailing opinion from the seasoned veterans about the SS 1LE being classed in AS? Is this considered a good thing because it shows how good the car is, or is it considered a bad thing because it will be classed with cars that will be hard to beat? I guess time will tell, but I am wondering the opinions of guys who real experience.

[mjk3888]

HAHA! What I wouldn't give to get "The Pill" to a track day in whatever it is that he drives! Would be a blast watching him make excuses about how my 1LE isn't the better car even though it laps faster than him.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Meanwhile, the Pill is going on and on about how "I think the SCCA's placement of the 1LE in FS is an embarrassment to the Camaro."

WTF is he talking about? Does he live in an alternate universe? See below:

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/show...=71181&page=10

This guy is the biggest fool on the internet, and that is a HUGE accomplishment.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by JRL1LE

I think it will be tough to keep up with the C5 Z06's because of lighter weight, we'll see.

The weight yes, but the SS 1LE's front grip is so much better that it will easily make up for that and more. Plus the eLSD...

[Egon]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Yes, I usually just ignore what he says, but I don't know how SCCA handles their classifications so I just wanted a sanity check. I usually just assume the truth is the opposite of whatever that guy is spouting off about. He seems to be wrong more than the weather man. I don't post over on that forum, I just like to check in to see what's the latest news with the Mustang (can't wait to see what the GT500 brings to the table, are they still going to make the GT350?, etc...), so I won't be the one to bring him the bad news, and it would probably take an army of psychiatrists to "correct" him in any way.

But getting back to the topic at hand, I have autocrossed twice with my old Gen5 V6 Camaro, but it was just for fun (not to necessarily win, I just wanted to drive like crazy without going to jail). So, what is the prevailing opinion from the seasoned veterans about the SS 1LE being classed in AS? Is this considered a good thing because it shows how good the car is, or is it considered a bad thing because it will be classed with cars that will be hard to beat? I guess time will tell, but I am wondering the opinions of guys who real experience.

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Well I highly recommend a sanity check after reading anything written by the one who should not be named. He uses SCCA stuff quite often because the number of really knowledgeable people is rather small in relation to the larger car enthusiast community and he exploits that. As evidenced by the utter cluelessness of that post of his (someone needs to go quote it so that he can't edit it after the fact) he has very little knowledge of the subject as well. He doesn't seem to be aware that the Ecoboost Mustang and the V6 and Turbo 4 Camaros were moved to D-Street, nor the fact that the person that came in 3rd at Nationals in an Ecoboost Mustang is not going to be campaigning it in DS this year because they switched to a Turbo 4 Camaro and will be running that! (Hey Mark!)

I have made numerous comments about my thoughts on the classing of the SS 1LE in A-Street in this thread and others, but the short version is that is where I predicted it would go but that the C6 Z06 will make it very difficult for someone to win with a 1LE at the national level of competition. Locally I think it could shake things up a bit as long as you don't have a nationals calibur driver in a Z06 running in AS in your region.

[JRL1LE]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

The weight yes, but the SS 1LE's front grip is so much better that it will easily make up for that and more. Plus the eLSD...

I hope you're right