[sub_ETCS_ret]

Originally Posted by RageWorx

Maybe I can provide something to your question.

I think some modern Vette owners (some friends of mine included) value the top end performance and higher power ceilings that some of the centri systems provide verses the brutal low end delivery / instant response PD blower systems offer. Some of the Vette owners I know feel the power delivery of the centri systems fit the car more appropriately and also for the type of Motorsports that they take part in (1/4 mile, roll racing 1/2mile or mile). The smaller PD blower systems just don't have those crazy high power ceilings like the centris except the larger PD blower units (4.0L + Whipple Crusher and KB Mammoth units) which aren't really an option for that platform. I'm not saying there aren't Vette owners out there that don't want a tire shredding torque monster for the street but from my experience this has been less common. Also packaging for the Vette platform is a bit different than other platforms so the centri systems are a better fit in some cases. Both types can work great just choose based on your expectations and intended use.

Now personally for me I can draw on two direct comparisons regarding your question from cars that I currently own: an 03 KB Cobra and my now ECS/Vortech supercharged 2016 SS Camaro.

I love the fact that my 03 KB Cobra drives like a thrill ride as its more than a handful to drive but I like it that way (one of the reasons I'll probly never sell it ). The power delivery can be described as an ON/OFF switch (with well over 700 ft/lbs). I will be honest though a car like that can get tiresome very quickly as I almost have to be in a violent mood to drive it lol. But very fun on the street and can have decent driving manners if you keep off the go pedal.

Now the Supercharged 2016 Camaro SS, I knew I wanted to drive this car a bit more often than the 03 Cobra so I wanted the car to drive nice with a smooth ever building power band which the ECS/Vortech system provided as I hoped. Also I don't ever want the same amount of low end power/torque that my KB Cobra has in the newer Camaro as for what I want to do with the car its just not needed/wanted. To be honest right now with the stock wheels and tires it has all the low end power it can handle even with the centri system I wouldn't want the low end delivery of a PD blower right now (I have drag radials though so I'll be ok).

Obviously there is still the Turbo route also which really is my preference but thats for another time/car .

-Jon

Great info and that actually makes a lot of sense.

I'm just not interested in shredding tires or losing the ass end. I've seen a lot of people talk about the tune and letting traction control take care of it but on the other hand I keep seeing people post about going right through traction control and getting loose. I'm more interested in a car that functions Iike the ECS package or a Procharger. I thought I was sold on a Maggie but I keep going back to a centri. I'm not a racer (road or drag) but I love going fast on occasion.

I totally get the "violent mood" feeling.


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[JoeAyalaM]

Originally Posted by sub_ETCS_ret

I thought I was sold on a Maggie but I keep going back to a centri.

I get your point, if only these great cars where AWD and there where no traction issues...

But did you not already announce that after much consideration, you where getting a Maggie?

[sub_ETCS_ret]

Originally Posted by JoeAyalaM

I get your point, if only these great cars where AWD and there where no traction issues...

But did you not already announce that after much consideration, you where getting a Maggie?

I did but my gut just says that I should go with a centri. I always wanted a top mount supercharger but I really don't want to worry about traction issues when I hit the gas, not Wot, but hitting the gas.

I would seriously hate blowing between $7000 and $9000 on something that I will not be happy with. It just seems to me that they both make the same HP but the torque comes on more linearly with a centri vice a PD where the torque is almost always at the peak when it gets into the boost.

I take long drives, go to cars and coffee, car shows, and I may or may not take it to the track but very doubtful. I like the whine from a supercharger, which the Maggie doesn't have, and as I said before don't want to fear driving the car.

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[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by sub_ETCS_ret

I did but my gut just says that I should go with a centri. I always wanted a top mount supercharger but I really don't want to worry about traction issues when I hit the gas, not Wot, but hitting the gas.

I would seriously hate blowing between $7000 and $9000 on something that I will not be happy with. It just seems to me that they both make the same HP but the torque comes on more linearly with a centri vice a PD where the torque is almost always at the peak when it gets into the boost.

I take long drives, go to cars and coffee, car shows, and I may or may not take it to the track but very doubtful. I like the whine from a supercharger, which the Maggie doesn't have, and as I said before don't want to fear driving the car.

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Until you drive both on the same car you may never find exactly what you like.

For me I have had both on many of my cars.

I don't agree with the analogy of Light switch power with a PD.

If that is the case there is something wrong with the setup, tuning, or driving style.

You would have to drive like my wife, She thinks the gas pedal is a switch, on or off, good thing I only give her a V6 LOL.

The PD blower delivers smooth linear power under your foot but lots of it with out a lot of pedal or waiting.

Were the Centri if you use the gas pedal like a switch will bring the power on a little softer.

Once the 2 come up on the shift points at full throttle there is very little to no difference.

8 psi boost make very similar power no matter how you get it.

The PD blowers are so factory like where the Centri kits appear and feel more add on if you will.

Love them both but like I said it is a personal choice that should only be made after driving both on the same model, engine, and transmission as yours.

Ted.

[sub_ETCS_ret]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Until you drive both on the same car you may never find exactly what you like.

For me I have had both on many of my cars.

I don't agree with the analogy of Light switch power with a PD.

If that is the case there is something wrong with the setup, tuning, or driving style.

You would have to drive like my wife, She thinks the gas pedal is a switch, on or off, good thing I only give her a V6 LOL.

The PD blower delivers smooth linear power under your foot but lots of it with out a lot of pedal or waiting.

Were the Centri if you use the gas pedal like a switch will bring the power on a little softer.

Once the 2 come up on the shift points at full throttle there is very little to no difference.

8 psi boost make very similar power no matter how you get it.

The PD blowers are so factory like where the Centri kits appear and feel more add on if you will.

Love them both but like I said it is a personal choice that should only be made after driving both on the same model, engine, and transmission as yours.

Ted.

Thanks Ted.

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[JoeAyalaM]

Ted,

Using a Maggie in an A8, can you tune the traction control torque limiter in order to tame it or make it somehow safer?

[JANNETTYRACING]

First there is nothing Unsafe about a Maggie supercharged A8 Camaro.

Yes we can tune this car to do pretty much whatever we want.

Ted.

Originally Posted by JoeAyalaM

Ted,

Using a Maggie in an A8, can you tune the traction control torque limiter in order to tame it or make it somehow safer?

[sub_ETCS_ret]

Would a Whipple be overkill if I'm not planning on doing a whole lot of engine mods?

[DFW1LE]

Originally Posted by sub_ETCS_ret

I did but my gut just says that I should go with a centri. I always wanted a top mount supercharger but I really don't want to worry about traction issues when I hit the gas, not Wot, but hitting the gas.

I would seriously hate blowing between $7000 and $9000 on something that I will not be happy with. It just seems to me that they both make the same HP but the torque comes on more linearly with a centri vice a PD where the torque is almost always at the peak when it gets into the boost.

I take long drives, go to cars and coffee, car shows, and I may or may not take it to the track but very doubtful. I like the whine from a supercharger, which the Maggie doesn't have, and as I said before don't want to fear driving the car.

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Have you even considered a NA approach with close to 500 rwhp.

[sub_ETCS_ret]

Originally Posted by DFW1LE

Have you even considered a NA approach with close to 500 rwhp.

I have been, especially since I've been watching all of you guys doing it. The lope of a cam is almost as good as the whine of a supercharger.

[Speedy1975]

Glad Ted steps in as the voice of reason yet again

I've not had a blower on my Camaro, yet, but have lots of experience with these on the Challenger.

I have a built motor and Maggie on my Challenger and one of my best buds has a built motor and a Vortech on his. They run almost the exact same times at the track at the same boost. Mine may be a tenth or two faster but it's very close and the MPH is almost identical as well.

PD blower just make more torque instantly. This makes the driving experience better IMO for a street car and you get the added benefit of a bit more at the track as well in my experience.

My maggie'd Challenger is about 600RWHP and I do not have any light switch effect at all. It's nice smooth power, and you definitely feel the torque at just about any throttle input. I do run DRs tires on it for the street and so does my buddy with his Vortech.

As Ted says, it's in the tuning and setup.

It's an expensive mod, and if you want to be 100% sure I'd go to some car shows and ask for a ride in cars that have both so you can feel the difference yourself. Based on my car and my buddies the Magnuson has a better fit and finish and was a major selling point to me. I checked Vortech's site and don't even see anything offered for the 2016 Camaro.

Magnuson's tunes are usually very good right out of the box as well.

[sub_ETCS_ret]

Thanks Speedy!

This is the part that I don't understand:

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

PD blower just make more torque instantly. This makes the driving experience better IMO for a street car.

Why does ripping up tires and losing traction make for a better experience?

To be completely honest I have only done one burnout in my life (29 years of driving). I have gotten on the gas pedal on a few highways and have only done a couple light to light runs in my old Formula 350. So tire shredding is not what I'm interested in, just pure speed.

What confuses me a bit is that I've been through a lot of threads on the internet and I've seen Ted recommend Whipple, Maggie, and Procharger on several other vehicles. I know he is very knowledgeable which is why I asked specifically why Vette folks like a Centri over a PD. I think in general the answer is that the Vette folks don't feel they need all the torque with their light platform but the 6th Gen is not that far away.

I am definitely seeing that this is a personal preference over a "What's better" preference. Fit and finsh, OEM like, Sound, Warranty, Support...

I am going to see if I can get a cruise in some cars this spring before I make my decision.

Again - thank you! I really appreciate all info.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by sub_ETCS_ret

Thanks Speedy!

This is the part that I don't understand:



Why does ripping up tires and losing traction make for a better experience?

To be completely honest I have only done one burnout in my life (29 years of driving). I have gotten on the gas pedal on a few highways and have only done a couple light to light runs in my old Formula 350. So tire shredding is not what I'm interested in, just pure speed.

What confuses me a bit is that I've been through a lot of threads on the internet and I've seen Ted recommend Whipple, Maggie, and Procharger on several other vehicles. I know he is very knowledgeable which is why I asked specifically why Vette folks like a Centri over a PD. I think in general the answer is that the Vette folks don't feel they need all the torque with their light platform but the 6th Gen is not that far away.

I am definitely seeing that this is a personal preference over a "What's better" preference. Fit and finsh, OEM like, Sound, Warranty, Support...

I am going to see if I can get a cruise in some cars this spring before I make my decision.

Again - thank you! I really appreciate all info.

3000 LB CAR VS 4000 LB CAR.

Ted.

[sub_ETCS_ret]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

3000 LB CAR VS 4000 LB CAR.

Ted.

I know you're being very general but based on the Chevy site:
Z51 = 3298
2SS = 3685

That's 387lbs, not 1000lbs. Again not sure why the Centri wouldn't be popular on the Camaro based on weight.