[Drags1998]

I have run a service Co. for almost 40yrs. and 2 things I will tell You: ALL customers LIE!!!!! and,or Not tell you the COMPLETE STORY!!!. Coming on a forum and spilling your guts can be a very foolish thing to do. OWN your mistakes and SUCK IT UP and Pay!!!

[its a syn]

Originally Posted by JDP Sales

We warn customers all the time that this or that product might void your warranty. If you have a cool dealer that doesn't care that you put on a ported throttle body, a catch can or even a cold air intake then you have an awesome dealer. But those are very few, most play by the book and will void the whole warranty because it easier that way. It is sad and unnecessary when people try to play dumb. I know GM doesn't have the best techs but they know when a car is not stock... Just be honest, you'll get more bee's with honey than vinegar.

Best regards,

Kayla L.
801.545.4215

A big thing that sways my mod decisions, is the company you are doing business with, in the USA? I really enjoy doing business with you guys and gals and many others that show up at Camarofest and Sturgis Camaro rallys. It is great to see the vendors who run what they sell!

[16Panther]

Does this rhetorical question seem rhetorical?

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by 16Panther

Does this rhetorical question seem rhetorical?

No but it's better that it's not. Rhetorical questions are stupid in real life. Dont ask a question you dont want an answer to.

[KILLA BEE]

Originally Posted by MostlyHarmless

ljc

I am with you - I have chosen to stick with GM parts fitted by a dealer to keep my warranty intact and ensure I have no issues with any problems down the road. GM Performance Exhaust, darkened rear tail lights, changed OEM silver wheels for OEM black wheels.

All OEM parts and all fitted by my local Chevy dealer.

Could I have done these mods myself? Could I have bought cheaper parts to achieve the same results? Yes in both cases. But to me my warranty is important and I would never want to put myself and my dealer in the position of having to argue a warranty claim.

I have no problems with people doing their own mods, I love reading people's stories on here about all the things they are doing to their cars. But as has been said above, don't expect a dealer to bail you out if something goes wrong.

Mark

Off topic fellas.
Your. The first person I know to have gotten the GM Performance Exhaust did you ever post sound clips anywhere do you love it?

[mekirk2]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

There are two kinds of scenarios here.

People actively looking to defraud OEM's warranty coverage by switching out the parts that caused the problem back to the OEM ones.

People who are swapping back in OEM parts of things that can be scape-goated into being the cause of a problem that the owner knows isn't but they dont want to hire lawyers to make the case in a drawn out legal battle for months or even years to come.

It's sometimes hard to differentiate these people.

Exactly this. Nothing like having to worry about your entire warranty being voided because you installed a catch can. Like a catch can is going to ruin a transmission.

I have a great service manager so far. I asked him about the catch can idea, he thought it would be great on this engine. I asked him about the warranty - he said it depends on what it is that broke and who at GM is looking at it.

That was enough for me to say no thanks to the catch can until my warranty is up. Especially since I have a 10yr/100K bumper to bumper. I didnt want to do much modding but thought a catch can might be a good investment. Nevermind....

[ljc]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

No but it's better that it's not. Rhetorical questions are stupid in real life. Dont ask a question you dont want an answer to.

Rhetorical questions are not stupid. They are meant to be thought provoking or to bring topics to light....which is what we have here.

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by ljc

Rhetorical questions are not stupid. They are meant to be thought provoking or to bring topics to light....which is what we have here.

If you have a question. ask it. As what was done here, a question was made to the forum. If you want to ask nobody a question, do it in your head where it belongs (rhetorical).

It's generally a writers tool. It makes no sense written or said out loud in a live context in reality. As opposed to tv shows / movies / books. In other words it's usually meant to make known some thought a character is having. If you're someone who does this in real life, out loud, you just need better filters for your mouth.

[ljc]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

If you have a question. ask it. As what was done here, a question was made to the forum. If you want to ask nobody a question, do it in your head where it belongs (rhetorical).

It's generally a writers tool. It makes no sense written or said out loud in a live context in reality. As opposed to tv shows / movies / books. In other words it's usually meant to make known some thought a character is having. If you're someone who does this in real life, out loud, you just need better filters for your mouth.

Regardless of your argument or view, others posted their comments and opinions on the topic.

[MostlyHarmless]

Originally Posted by KILLA BEE

Off topic fellas.
Your. The first person I know to have gotten the GM Performance Exhaust did you ever post sound clips anywhere do you love it?

Hi Killa Bee

My understanding is that the GMPP axle backs are actually just Borla S Types built for GM and rebranded. They do have a really nice sound which is identical to the Borla, so I have no reason to not believe that is the case.

Instead of Borla stamped on the top of the tips they get the Chevy logo which is a nice touch.

I haven't posted any sound clips (largely due to technical incompetence) but I love the sound. My previous car was a C7 Corvette with the NPP Exhaust. The GMPP axle backs are not quite as loud as the "fully open" mode on the NPP exhaust but they are damn close and I am not nothing any drone or harmonic vibrations at speed. Really pleased with them so far.

I noticed from your profile that you have NPP on your car - so I don't think you will gain anything from the GMPP axle backs - they are single tip exhausts (not dual tip like the NPP) so I think they would look out of place in your rear facia. Also I am guessing you would lose the main benefit of NPP which is the selectable exhaust sound.

My car was an in stock 2016 with a 20% discount tag, so it was a no brainer to buy it, but did not have NPP - hence why I did the exhaust upgrade, but I don't think it brings you anything if you already have NPP

Cheers

Mark

[gw6211]

Originally Posted by ljc

From the time I started to search this forum and became a member I've noticed a couple of things. (Maybe I'm posting this in the wrong section...sorry if I am.) 1st, there are several threads with similar scenarios, so I am not pointing out anybody in particular.
We are all entitled to do as we wish with our money, purchases, and cars. However, why does someone purchase a brand new car, choose to immediately alter, replace parts, upgrade, or modify things...and THAT alteration results in a broken or failed part; burned wiring harness; blown fuses; etc. Then the person expects warranty coverage from the manufacturer/dealer and are angry when they are denied? And to top it off, others help them to defraud the dealers by encouraging the installation of all OEM parts in an effort to make it appear as if the problems just happened on their own.
In some of these cases, people are able to "get over" and get coverage. But it makes the dealerships & manufacturers more leary of warranty claims which causes true innocent customers to be denied of warranty. So when dealerships are looked at by most customers as being crooked and deceptive....isn't this the same thing? Not trying to offend anyone here, I'm just curious.

Crooked people do crooked things. They are here and don't give it another thought. But the good news is, the ones saying go to another dealer, i think they first dealer logs it and then GM will banish that car from that point forward for the particular issue that was altered. So, there is hope they still f'd themselves.

[GirlyNFG]

I am a GM service writer. It's amazing what people think will just not be caught.

I've seen branded warranties, lawsuits to remove the branding just to result in remoding and getting the warranty rebranded.

Pay to play...I don't have a branded warranty, but I also know better than to try and slip one through...

['Merica]

Originally Posted by mekirk2

Exactly this. Nothing like having to worry about your entire warranty being voided because you installed a catch can. Like a catch can is going to ruin a transmission.

I have a great service manager so far. I asked him about the catch can idea, he thought it would be great on this engine. I asked him about the warranty - he said it depends on what it is that broke and who at GM is looking at it.

That was enough for me to say no thanks to the catch can until my warranty is up. Especially since I have a 10yr/100K bumper to bumper. I didnt want to do much modding but thought a catch can might be a good investment. Nevermind....

Let me preface this with saying I am no lawyer lol, but I have modded quite a few cars and never had an issue across different car manufacturers

Your Service Manager is correct. GM, by law under the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act, cannot void your entire warranty due to the installation of aftermarket equipment unless they can prove that the failure was caused by that part specifically. Using your example, if something failed in the transmission and you previously installed the catch can, GM would be forced to repair the fault under any warranty they provided; as the catch can and transmission are unrelated. Obviously, if you bore and stroke your engine, and then end up throwing a rod down the road; you're more than likely not going to be covered. I understand the vendors do not want to take liability, but installing a Short Ram Intake (I haven't seen any "true" CAI's yet, although I could be wrong) or a catback exhaust, is not going to void your warranty. If your dealer claims that then you should really think about taking your car elsewhere.

Coming from the German market, flashes and tunes are very prevalent. If you head over to their forums you will constantly see guys coming back from the dealers with voided engines warranties because they went with an aggressive tune and had major issues. However, the tune is directly impacting air/fuel ratios. rev limiters, max boost etc.

I think the best rule-of-thumb is if you think it will void your warranty, then it probably will haha

[OddJack]

I think you're being cute here a little OP. Very few people upgrade or modify far enough to break or damage their cars. Most alterations are cosmetics. Wheels, graphix. Bulbs. Etc.