[16Panther]

The old Gen 5 creating vacant parking lot art.

I call this one, "Springtime in the upper Midwest".

[whiskeyfed]

Originally Posted by 16Panther

The old Gen 5 creating vacant parking lot art.

I call this one, "Springtime in the upper Midwest".

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[16Panther]

Thank you. I wasn't sure it accurately portrays that men inevitably enter into definite relations, which are independent of their will, namely relations of production appropriate to a given stage in the development of their material forces of production. The totality of these relations of production constitutes the economic structure of society, the real foundation, on which arises a legal and political superstructure and to which correspond definite forms of social consciousness. The mode of production of material life conditions the general process of social, political and intellectual life. It is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness. At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of society come into conflict with the existing relations of production or—this merely expresses the same thing in legal terms—with the property relations within the framework of which they have operated hitherto. From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters. Then begins an era of social revolution. The changes in the economic foundation lead sooner or later to the transformation of the whole immense superstructure...


or naked women.

[keon718nyc]

Originally Posted by 16Panther

Thank you. I wasn't sure it accurately portrays that men inevitably enter into definite relations, which are independent of their will, namely relations of production appropriate to a given stage in the development of their material forces of production. The totality of these relations of production constitutes the economic structure of society, the real foundation, on which arises a legal and political superstructure and to which correspond definite forms of social consciousness. The mode of production of material life conditions the general process of social, political and intellectual life. It is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness. At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of society come into conflict with the existing relations of production or—this merely expresses the same thing in legal terms—with the property relations within the framework of which they have operated hitherto. From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters. Then begins an era of social revolution. The changes in the economic foundation lead sooner or later to the transformation of the whole immense superstructure...


or naked women.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by 16Panther

Thank you. I wasn't sure it accurately portrays that men inevitably enter into definite relations, which are independent of their will, namely relations of production appropriate to a given stage in the development of their material forces of production. The totality of these relations of production constitutes the economic structure of society, the real foundation, on which arises a legal and political superstructure and to which correspond definite forms of social consciousness. The mode of production of material life conditions the general process of social, political and intellectual life. It is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness. At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of society come into conflict with the existing relations of production or—this merely expresses the same thing in legal terms—with the property relations within the framework of which they have operated hitherto. From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters. Then begins an era of social revolution. The changes in the economic foundation lead sooner or later to the transformation of the whole immense superstructure...


or naked women.

[mattyb65]

Originally Posted by Lurkertill03/10/2016

Man as a Canadian without a Camaro (yet), these stories make me really happy. RWD is a damn shame in the winter but if its contained and properly handled, I'm sure it'll be a great all year round car.

Also, everyone complains about how RWD isn't good for winter but most of the Benz and Beamers I see on the road are RWDs too so whats up with no one criticizing those cars?

I'm rocking my Camaro this winter and just had my winter tires put on today. Looking forward to seeing what it can do...but that being said, I never see RWD Benz and Beamers in Massachusetts. Always all wheel drive. The dealers don't even order RWD because they don't sell around here. Strange that it's different up north.

[16Panther]

Originally Posted by mattyb65

I'm rocking my Camaro this winter and just had my winter tires put on today. Looking forward to seeing what it can do...but that being said, I never see RWD Benz and Beamers in Massachusetts. Always all wheel drive. The dealers don't even order RWD because they don't sell around here. Strange that it's different up north.

My '14 was very stable with the 18" all season factory tires.

However, I'd like to see Chevy or someone transcend the muscle car formula and add AWD.

[tcal780]

Originally Posted by fastball

Yet somehow, for 90 years until most cars went front wheel drive, us brave souls in the snowbelt areas of America survived.

I learned to drive in a 1985 Buick Regal and it was my car for almost 3 years. For people my age and older (I'm 39) it's a very good chance we did learn to drive in winter on a rear wheel drive car.

Think about this: my '85 Regal had no stability/traction control, no ABS, front disc/rear drum brakes, a solid rear axle with no control arms, and about 70% of the car's weight was up front.

The Camaro is near 50/50 weight distribution and has all the electronic safety controls.

A good set of winter tires on even the Camaro SS and you'll be fine. Just drive smart - it has 460 hp. Your right foot controls all of them. Easy on the gas, easy on the brakes. With a good set of winter tires you can even make it up a hill with 8" of snow on the ground. In a Camaro SS.

No big deal.

Hell yeah. My 85 LeSabre was a tank in the snow with 4 bags of rocks salt in the trunk.

[mrtoner]

Originally Posted by fastball

Yet somehow, for 90 years until most cars went front wheel drive, us brave souls in the snowbelt areas of America survived.

I learned to drive in a 1985 Buick Regal and it was my car for almost 3 years. For people my age and older (I'm 39) it's a very good chance we did learn to drive in winter on a rear wheel drive car.

Think about this: my '85 Regal had no stability/traction control, no ABS, front disc/rear drum brakes, a solid rear axle with no control arms, and about 70% of the car's weight was up front.

The Camaro is near 50/50 weight distribution and has all the electronic safety controls.

A good set of winter tires on even the Camaro SS and you'll be fine. Just drive smart - it has 460 hp. Your right foot controls all of them. Easy on the gas, easy on the brakes. With a good set of winter tires you can even make it up a hill with 8" of snow on the ground. In a Camaro SS.

No big deal.

Well said. For those of us that grew up in the snow belt decades ago, it was all RWD and crappy tires, but we drove and managed to get to work on time!

I had a 1964 Buick Skylark, and then a 1968 GTO. The Goat was a little more squirrelly in the snow, but it was ok - never bothered to change tires....

[BlakeR]

Originally Posted by Eric SS

No snow in Phoenix so I actually drove up north over the weekend just to see a little

Eric SS, that picture is AWESOME!!!

[Eric SS]

Originally Posted by BlakeR

Eric SS, that picture is AWESOME!!!

Thanks!

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by 16Panther

Thank you. I wasn't sure it accurately portrays that men inevitably enter into definite relations, which are independent of their will, namely relations of production appropriate to a given stage in the development of their material forces of production. The totality of these relations of production constitutes the economic structure of society, the real foundation, on which arises a legal and political superstructure and to which correspond definite forms of social consciousness. The mode of production of material life conditions the general process of social, political and intellectual life. It is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness. At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of society come into conflict with the existing relations of production or—this merely expresses the same thing in legal terms—with the property relations within the framework of which they have operated hitherto. From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters. Then begins an era of social revolution. The changes in the economic foundation lead sooner or later to the transformation of the whole immense superstructure...


or naked women.

Originally Posted by fastball

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[hotlap]

This is the real story about driving a SS in the winter. Feels like she has 50 HP more. High performance winter tires on OE rims keeps everything safe.

I've driven far more RWD cars year round than FWD. Tires make a big difference but in my youth I didn't bother. Two notables that I drove on OE tires are a 455 in^3 TA (Uniroyals) and Monte SS (Eagle GTs).

[moonrider]

I didn't know it was going to snow today. We got about 3" while I was working. I didn't have a scraper, so I put the wipers on and went for it. First pic is just leaving work and the second is in my driveway, luckily I only live about two miles from my office. I still have the summer tires on the car.