[laynlo15]

Once I get my Heartbeat installed I want to run Meth/Alky injection and want to know which system guys on the forum are using. I've looked at both AEM and Snow Performance. Mike from Magnacharger (toohighpsi) is using the AEM.

[1LE801]

Alky Control. Very happy with it

[AbsolutHank]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

Once I get my Heartbeat installed I want to run Meth/Alky injection and want to know which system guys on the forum are using. I've looked at both AEM and Snow Performance. Mike from Magnacharger (toohighpsi) is using the AEM.

Which kit did you buy? The original full kit or the new non-IC kit?

[dennis@hixsonnet.com]

I am running the Alky system with a 4gal tank in the trunk. Very happy with it so far!

[laynlo15]

I bought the Non Intercooled kit after talking to Mike (toohighpsi). Obviously I can upgrade at a later date. I plan on running one of the kits to cool the charge into the intake which he thinks will be fine for my application. I don't drive it daily (couple times a week) and drag race it 2 couple times a month. I can run the 5.5 pulley without any alky back up, but if I want to run 6.5 lbs of boost or more I'll have to either intercool it or inject it with a cool charge like Meth injection. I'm limited to what I want to spend since I'm retiring in a couple years and don't want to go overboard as I have dozens of time in the past. I like the AEM system that Mike is running on the Magnacharger car and with the ROTOFAB intake it made 70 hp which is crazy, I'd be happy with 50 additional hp. So, that's my plan and just waiting on the SC to be shipped which should be by Friday and maybe start the install on the following weekend if it works out. My Rotofab will be here Friday so need to make the decision on the Alky/Meth system.

[Langhans2016]

I use alky control works great

[crash0117]

Alky Control and only Alky Control on any GM vehicle I will ever own

[laynlo15]

thx crash

[laynlo15]

Mike said they should be shipping mine today or tm. Hoping to have it installed by xmas.

[Perdieu]

Originally Posted by crash0117

Alky Control and only Alky Control on any GM vehicle I will ever own

Any reason why ?

I have a Snow kit not installed and keep hear I should had bought a Alky Control system but know one can give me a reason LOL

[sub_ETCS_ret]

Originally Posted by Perdieu

Any reason why ?

I have a Snow kit not installed and keep hear I should had bought a Alky Control system but know one can give me a reason LOL

I would like to know this as well. Alkycontrol posted on my supercharger decision thread - Info below:

Originally Posted by Alkycontrol

There are a few misconceptions. I wanted to chime in and possibly help with some of the confusion as it relates to the Gen5 and Gen6.
First.. if the SC is a PD blower, like the Eforce, 2300, ZL1, etc.. then straight methanol is the answer to not create damage to the rotors. The way i've explained this in layman's terms is methanol has a flash temp of 70 degree's. It boils at 160 degree's. Vs water changes phase at 180 degree's and boils at 212.
Another point is specific gravity. Methanol is .79 vs water is 1.0. Meaning methanol is 21% thinner than water.
So when liquid is shot through the blower.. its important it changes from liquid to gas for as soon as possible. If the rotors get "wetted" by fluid, that fluid gets squeezed and pushed outward towards the bearings on the rotors.. get the bearings wet, next thing that happens if they fail and you have rotor to rotor contact. So with a liquid thats very light in nature, low flash point, etc.. its like brake cleaner on a hot rotor. As soon as it hits the surface, its gone. This creates perfect distribution and the motor simply takes off with it.
On a centri or turbo application that you can put nozzles after the intercooler.. its a different issue. As to running water/methanol/mix. As there will be more temp to deal with and lack of rotor issues.

I wanted to add every PSI of boost creates about 11 degrees above ambient. So 10 psi is 110 and if its 80 outside will be approx 190 coming out of the blower. Any injection pre supercharger will not drop outlet temp, only by the amount it has lowered its inlet. So the 11 DF stays constant. I get a lot of calls someone wanting to lower IAT's and think spraying through the blower will allow that. It won't. But if the tuner zero's out the timing tables so it doesnt pull timing, whalla.. car will make full power as its not getting any knock.
On the newer direct injected motors its awesome as it adds a neat fuel source. More so as load and timing goes up making more power.. the engine is simply thirstier. E85 taxes the fuel system as it simply needs greater volume..
The Pro on using straight methanol is provides fuel, higher octane, cools the air temp where sprayed.
The Con is if tuned for methanol. Must be aware system is on the car, and system will need servicing sooner than latter due to the chemical nature of the fluid being used.
Hope this helps,
Julio

Originally Posted by Alkycontrol

Said in a straight fashion, the more power the motor makes, the more problems you will have. If you want it to last 300K miles, dont put a blower on it and beat the snot of it
Reliability means not racing it. If you race the engine, your are more susceptible to problems. Given most engines break while being raced not cruised.
As to the injection, you added one more layer in a quest to make more power. One more thing to watch. Those looking for power, understand the extra work. There is no free lunch when it comes to performance.
For what its worth, i've been in this business full-time for the last 13 years. Typical applications make over 700 RWHP. Typically at the limits of the fuel system, octane limits, and wanting more.
And as you said, its not for everyone. Same can be said about a modified car.
There is a fine line on dependance of the kit. If your motor for example given the fuel its using makes x amount of power at lets say 12 degree's of timing without knock.. then thats the "safe" limit. Adding a meth kit to bump the timing to 20 degree's and pickup 100 RWHP.. you have to be understanding the extra 100 comes with additional risk. Or keep timing at 12 degree's and use the kit to simply ward of bad gas and help with cleaning.. and your happy at the power level. At that point you have both extremes.
Some applications can control timing based of IAT's. And then safety/fail safes can be implemented. But with a PD blown application.. motor is at 6000 rpm and full boost.. fuel system, meth system, etc fail.. there is no guillotine to cut the belt of the blower.

[Atomic Ed]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

I bought the Non Intercooled kit after talking to Mike (toohighpsi). Obviously I can upgrade at a later date. I plan on running one of the kits to cool the charge into the intake which he thinks will be fine for my application. I don't drive it daily (couple times a week) and drag race it 2 couple times a month. I can run the 5.5 pulley without any alky back up, but if I want to run 6.5 lbs of boost or more I'll have to either intercool it or inject it with a cool charge like Meth injection. I'm limited to what I want to spend since I'm retiring in a couple years and don't want to go overboard as I have dozens of time in the past. I like the AEM system that Mike is running on the Magnacharger car and with the ROTOFAB intake it made 70 hp which is crazy, I'd be happy with 50 additional hp. So, that's my plan and just waiting on the SC to be shipped which should be by Friday and maybe start the install on the following weekend if it works out. My Rotofab will be here Friday so need to make the decision on the Alky/Meth system.

I hear ya on the retirement. 2 years and counting for me also. I'm working to set myself up with little or no debt, including having my man cave/shop and the SS paid off.

I've also done the overboard thing many times and have decided on a stop point with the E-Force of around 600-625 rwhp (pulley, Roto-Fab, and tune). I've taken the joy out of driving too many vehicles in the past with over-building and don't want to do that with this car.

A thought for you: Since you have a non-intercooled PD coming, why not look into adding spray bars where the intercoolers normally go? I think this would give you greater flexibility in adding chemicals post-boost and controlling IATs.

I'm not a big fan of chemical injection, having tried it on my Audi TT. But in your case, you may want to think about having two tunes available, one for daily driving without Meth injection and another with Meth at the strip.

[crash0117]

Originally Posted by Perdieu

Any reason why ?

I have a Snow kit not installed and keep hear I should had bought a Alky Control system but know one can give me a reason LOL

Many reasons. Julio from Alky Control first of all really knows his stuff. Also his customer service is top notch and has always been available to help however possible. Mainly though, are because his kits are the best and are designed for GM vehicles not just a universal kit. He takes lots of extra steps to make sure his setups are protected to limit failures. Just an example, he sleeves his pumps to help limit pump failure. His kits are built to last for the long haul. If you just set an AEM kit beside his you'd see the quality difference, not to say there's anything wrong with AEM, just Alky is better at least in my opinion.

[BadBowtieProductions]

+1 for Alky Control.