[Speedy1975]

I gotta agree on the V8 thing though. Looking through history you don't see the 6cyl cars being talked about or at auction today. I'd just eat Ramen and bologna sammiches for a while to get the V8. I've done it before myself.

[central limit]

In case the O.P. is still deciding: during the recent fire sale, lowest prices for basic V6 and V8 models were in the $20k and $30k range, respectively. That's a wide spread for 90% of the population, and can have personal repercussions for years if not decades. The sting of excess debt lasts far beyond the thrill of new ownership. Then again, if one has already built the capital to "buy in" without straining the budget against life's essentials--and the wise have a very long list of essentials--well then, YOLO.

In term of my academic pursuit, I drafted these decision trees. I hope to one day earn my real-car-guy membership card.

[AirplanesRLife]

Originally Posted by central limit

In case the O.P. is still deciding: during the recent fire sale, lowest prices for basic V6 and V8 models were in the $20k and $30k range, respectively. That's a wide spread for 90% of the population, and can have personal repercussions for years if not decades. The sting of excess debt lasts far beyond the thrill of new ownership. Then again, if one has already built the capital to "buy in" without straining the budget against life's essentials--and the wise have a very long list of essentials--well then, YOLO.

In term of my academic pursuit, I drafted these decision trees. I hope to one day earn my real-car-guy membership card.

^This. If I had plenty of $ and this wasn't my daily, then I'd have gotten an SS, hands down. But... I know me. And I will always have things I want to add/mod. If I'm spending more on a car payment, I don't get to tinker, and tinkering keeps me happy. All in all, a great value either way IMO, but I couldn't justify the extra $12k right now. Do I know that resale value is gonna drop like a stone (so will the SS, but not as bad)? Sure, but I don't base any car decision I make on residuals. That's usually a losing game. Particularly when the Manufacturer is discounting 20%+, that's the new value of the car.

Nothing sounds like an American V8. The butt dyno gets happy with it as well. If it fits your price and your goals, by all means, go for it. To some people, that is a reasonable daily (or toy... in my case, this is a daily). To others, it's not justifiable for whatever reason, be it payment, car insurance premiums, confidence level, etc. IMO cars are a very personal thing, so are the decisions, no one can tell anyone else what they should do, only their opinions or why they did what they did.

But that flow chart.

[jingaling]

I like the V8s because of the sound and the power, but I wasn't gonna pay 10k extra just to listen to that rumble. I know that for the performance you get out of the SS its a hell of a deal, but I just don't get on the cars and let them rip as much as I used to. For the Camaro V6 vs V8 isn't that big of a deal to me... I learned a long time ago that if you really want to go fast motorcycles are the way to go.

[PolynesianPowerhouse]

Originally Posted by jingaling

I like the V8s because of the sound and the power, but I wasn't gonna pay 10k extra just to listen to that rumble. I know that for the performance you get out of the SS its a hell of a deal, but I just don't get on the cars and let them rip as much as I used to. For the Camaro V6 vs V8 isn't that big of a deal to me... I learned a long time ago that if you really want to go fast motorcycles are the way to go.

Common Logical Sense

Plenty of lighter cars with a better power to weight ratio...

All about preference. Cause alot of v8 owners end up being posers. They can read the stats, troll the forums, but never show up at the track.

[mariojmoe]

Originally Posted by PolynesianPowerhouse

Common Logical Sense

Plenty of lighter cars with a better power to weight ratio...

All about preference. Cause alot of v8 owners end up being posers. They can read the stats, troll the forums, but never show up at the track.

I hate bikes infact with a passion. My car is far from stock (very,very far from stock) I have been to the track 3x in my life and wasn't my thing. I do however have my youtube page with plenty of damage I put down in "Mexico". My thing are 50 rolls to 150-160 (in mexico of course). To eat my own words partially there is a local guy here in Houston who comes to the meets in a V6 3.7 Mustang and he hurts a lot of V8 owners feelings, I have nothing but respect for his car bc that sob is crazy fast off the hit to like 120.

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by central limit

In term of my academic pursuit, I drafted these decision trees. I hope to one day earn my real-car-guy membership card.

Seems like the "car guy" decision is the kind of car decision making process that an insane person would expect to write down. \

The "Fake car" guy seems to have a much more logical and expected cross-shopping decision tree one would expect from a car buyer looking at this type of vehicle.


I can only assume you think real car guys are borderline mental patients who can't decide if they want a econobox sedan they dont mind getting hit in big box store parking lots or their kids throwing up in or if they want the 500hp manual sports car.

[PolynesianPowerhouse]

Originally Posted by mariojmoe

I hate bikes infact with a passion. My car is far from stock (very,very far from stock) I have been to the track 3x in my life and wasn't my thing. I do however have my youtube page with plenty of damage I put down in "Mexico". My thing are 50 rolls to 150-160 (in mexico of course). To eat my own words partially there is a local guy here in Houston who comes to the meets in a V6 3.7 Mustang and he hurts a lot of V8 owners feelings, I have nothing but respect for his car bc that sob is crazy fast off the hit to like 120.

Which goes back to my original point on page 1 and above. Alls preference.

Once anyone gets past the ego in this type/topic of discussion, it truly boils down to preference. Not so much as reasons being excuses.

It's like we have the Mexico thing around here too. Some cities in Mexico are dig races, some rolls. Once again... Preference.

I personally won't ever get on a bike. 400lbs and and crotch rocket is fresh hamburger waiting to happen. Will always stick to 4 wheels. Don't hate but I respect that saying of " there are those who been down and those that will go down" that accompanied with simple physics. I'm good, I'll pass.

As for my comment on v8 posers. Every group has em, regardless of engine size. You know.... the ones who never go to the track cause they have a show car, but never show up to shows cause it's dirty and it's a track car???

My car is what it is. V6. Ill run anything, almost anywhere. Not big on the Mexico thing. Just started doing drag track in the past 4 weeks after 2 decades nearly. Road course and AutoX are my passion. For me it's a bit more challenging than straight line.

I've anywherendlways tan "run what ya brung style". Pretty much how I played fout all in highschool, college, and even now how I'm in the wrestling ring. I'll challenge anyone with anything.

Engine size, gym stats, never really determined the outcome of the current. Just past achievements.

That's why my view is still the same. Find out what your needs and wants are....REALISTICALLY...Not " Fast and furious" style...but goals and what you plan to legit do, and run with either.

[A7X]

Been debating the V6 or V8 question. Had a 67 Firebird with a 350 ci 350 HP engine back in 79 and it was ungodly fast.

I miss that feeling. I think it's the V8 for me. Since I'm probably not getting it for a year or 2, the price difference shouldn't be so extreme

I test drove the Turbo 4 - it was NICE!!!! Very surprising - way better than the lumpy Mustang EcoBoost. Will try a V6 and V8 in the next few weeks but I think you can't go wrong either way

[mariojmoe]

Originally Posted by PolynesianPowerhouse

Which goes back to my original point on page 1 and above. Alls preference.

Once anyone gets past the ego in this type/topic of discussion, it truly boils down to preference. Not so much as reasons being excuses.

It's like we have the Mexico thing around here too. Some cities in Mexico are dig races, some rolls. Once again... Preference.

I personally won't ever get on a bike. 400lbs and and crotch rocket is fresh hamburger waiting to happen. Will always stick to 4 wheels. Don't hate but I respect that saying of " there are those who been down and those that will go down" that accompanied with simple physics. I'm good, I'll pass.

As for my comment on v8 posers. Every group has em, regardless of engine size. You know.... the ones who never go to the track cause they have a show car, but never show up to shows cause it's dirty and it's a track car???

My car is what it is. V6. Ill run anything, almost anywhere. Not big on the Mexico thing. Just started doing drag track in the past 4 weeks after 2 decades nearly. Road course and AutoX are my passion. For me it's a bit more challenging than straight line.

I've anywherendlways tan "run what ya brung style". Pretty much how I played fout all in highschool, college, and even now how I'm in the wrestling ring. I'll challenge anyone with anything.

Engine size, gym stats, never really determined the outcome of the current. Just past achievements.

That's why my view is still the same. Find out what your needs and wants are....REALISTICALLY...Not " Fast and furious" style...but goals and what you plan to legit do, and run with either.

Bro I totally respect everything you said to the T. I'm a very competitive person and practically live in the gym. Nothing gets me going more than somebody in my size class out benching me, or out doing me. It's just who I am and will go thru great lengths to beat or meet whoever is superior. Doesn't always work out that way but I'm going to try lol. I've also ran some guys in Mexico that I just knew were going to slaughter me (and ultimately did) but I don't turn anything down and give it my best. Again man I totally respect ya regardless of what you drive.

[cellsafemode]

For V8:
Exhaust note
aftermarket availability
wanting more than 400hp without boost

For V6
Want at least 4th gen or earlier V8 power without V8 cost
lower cost to maintain (insurance/registration/etc)


Basically if your last V8 experience wasn't a modern >400hp v8 or dedicated racer then you probably will only miss the sound of the V8, rather than the mistaken idea that you'll be missing the performance of the V8.

[PolynesianPowerhouse]

Originally Posted by mariojmoe

Bro I totally respect everything you said to the T. I'm a very competitive person and practically live in the gym. Nothing gets me going more than somebody in my size class out benching me, or out doing me. It's just who I am and will go thru great lengths to beat or meet whoever is superior. Doesn't always work out that way but I'm going to try lol. I've also ran some guys in Mexico that I just knew were going to slaughter me (and ultimately did) but I don't turn anything down and give it my best. Again man I totally respect ya regardless of what you drive.

Right back at ya, Uce

[central limit]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Seems like the "car guy" decision is the kind of car decision making process that an insane person would expect to write down. \

The "Fake car" guy seems to have a much more logical and expected cross-shopping decision tree one would expect from a car buyer looking at this type of vehicle.


I can only assume you think real car guys are borderline mental patients who can't decide if they want a econobox sedan they dont mind getting hit in big box store parking lots or their kids throwing up in or if they want the 500hp manual sports car.

Not sure if serious, but just in case:

This part of my post was satirical. Over time, I've noticed a number of V8-or-nothing posts, and the "real car guy" flow chart is an amalgamation of these. To wit:

- Many posters that deride the V6 and the T4 seem to suggest that the top-of-the-line engine is the only one to get. The LT1 is not top of the line, thus the "nothing to see here" box replacing the LT4 box, satirizing the irony of saying "don't settle" while advocating an engine option that is a step down from top of the line. Nothing against the LT1, mind you. I believe the Camaro is blessed with solid engines throughout the model range, and I think the nuances in engineering flair showed that they took their job seriously on each one, even if the SS is the iconic model.

- Along the same lines, numerous posts have said something to the effect of "if I had to get the V6, I would just get an Accord or something." Version 0 of the chart had "GTFO" everywhere, but I thought "Accord/Civic" would resonate more. It is in effect saying "If I had to get anything other than the SS, I would just buy an Accord." To me, this amounts to spending $25-$30k on a FWD car that tops out as an MDX instead of a RWD, sport-sedan sourced one that tops out as a CTS-V. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, but if that is one's true preference, why buy a Camaro at all, regardless of engine?

So, in summary, the charts needed a /sarcasm tag. Hopefully a few people got a chuckle

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by central limit

Not sure if serious, but just in case:

This part of my post was satirical. Over time, I've noticed a number of V8-or-nothing posts, and the "real car guy" flow chart is an amalgamation of these. To wit:

- Many posters that deride the V6 and the T4 seem to suggest that the top-of-the-line engine is the only one to get. The LT1 is not top of the line, thus the "nothing to see here" box replacing the LT4 box, satirizing the irony of saying "don't settle" while advocating an engine option that is a step down from top of the line. Nothing against the LT1, mind you. I believe the Camaro is blessed with solid engines throughout the model range, and I think the nuances in engineering flair showed that they took their job seriously on each one, even if the SS is the iconic model.

- Along the same lines, numerous posts have said something to the effect of "if I had to get the V6, I would just get an Accord or something." Version 0 of the chart had "GTFO" everywhere, but I thought "Accord/Civic" would resonate more. It is in effect saying "If I had to get anything other than the SS, I would just buy an Accord." To me, this amounts to spending $25-$30k on a FWD car that tops out as an MDX instead of a RWD, sport-sedan sourced one that tops out as a CTS-V. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, but if that is one's true preference, why buy a Camaro at all, regardless of engine?

So, in summary, the charts needed a /sarcasm tag. Hopefully a few people got a chuckle

I get the V8 or nothing attitude, i just dont see how it is a choice between a V8 or an accord. It would be all v8 vehicles...all the time...but maybe with absurd options like accord + LS1 swap etc. Non-V8's are never an option for that stereotype.

Now they believe that other people's non-v8 choices may be equiv to an accord.
So maybe 1st chart is normal car buying decision tree... then the second can be "Car guy"'s opinion of 1st guy's decision chart. Cuz it's def not their own decision tree.

that's what i meant ....i got that it was poking fun.