ZL1 vs Hellcat - Page 64

Sven59 · 11-19-2016, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

Isn't the tire size the same as the 5th Gen ZL1? The majority of drivers could only run low to mid 12s with terrible 60' times. Now you have more hp/tq to try and harness. You have to be very skilled to launch any of these cars with this much hp/tq on street rubber really regardless of width. Maybe the nannies are better on the 6th Gen? To take advantage of any of these monsters you are going to need DRs or a perfect driver and track prep.

Similar to the Hellcat expect the majority of passes to be in the 11:70-12:00 range.

It's new rubber.

nvrlast07 · 11-19-2016, 07:51 PM

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bahahaha i had a good laught when i saw this photo because i have been saying that kind of here kitty kitty kitty stuff to my dodge friends, ohh man i needed that laugh

nvrlast07 · 11-19-2016, 08:03 PM

man 55 pages of zl1 vs hellcat. there shouldn't be any pages, this thread never should have been posted, because chevy will always beat dodge, even if dodge really is better, i still think chevy is better.

But on a side note, i pick the zl1 over the hell kitty any day, the looks, "overall" performance and not to mention the history of the camaro dates back to the muscle car era jus like the challenger series but the main difference i think the fan base is better too.

I like to have a neutral approch when chiming in on these posts like this, you can type all the numbers you want and talk technical but what when i comes down to it. Do driver's have a better experience with the zl1 or hell kitty......? time will tell

Speedy1975 · 11-19-2016, 08:27 PM

^^^ Oooooook?

mcsoul · 11-20-2016, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

Isn't the tire size the same as the 5th Gen ZL1? The majority of drivers could only run low to mid 12s with terrible 60' times. Now you have more hp/tq to try and harness. You have to be very skilled to launch any of these cars with this much hp/tq on street rubber really regardless of width. Maybe the nannies are better on the 6th Gen? To take advantage of any of these monsters you are going to need DRs or a perfect driver and track prep.

Similar to the Hellcat expect the majority of passes to be in the 11:70-12:00 range.

There's a new tire formula and a new E-LSD (E-Diff), it's not apples to apples. Hellcat A8 vs ZL1 A10 both on Stock rubber to stock rubber, I agree that the ZL1 will have consistently slightly lower ET's. Both cars on the same drag radials will be interesting to see. The road course is no contest, faster than the 350r on the road course and keeps up with the fat kitty on the track is more than I thought possible.

Speedy1975 · 11-20-2016, 12:05 PM

Unless those Supercar tires are practically DRs, it won't help much on anything over about 550RWHP. When I get a minute I'll read up on them to see what their specs are.

396ssrat · 11-20-2016, 12:30 PM

Why place limitations on tires. To make it an even competition lets put the stickiest tires on both cars and let the cards fall where they may. I like both cars to be sure, they each have a place.

Speedy1975 · 11-20-2016, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Why place limitations on tires. To make it an even competition lets put the stickiest tires on both cars and let the cards fall where they may. I like both cars to be sure, they each have a place.

AMEN!

SpeedIsLife · 11-20-2016, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nvrlast07

man 55 pages of zl1 vs hellcat. there shouldn't be any pages, this thread never should have been posted, because chevy will always beat dodge, even if dodge really is better, i still think chevy is better.

But on a side note, i pick the zl1 over the hell kitty any day, the looks, "overall" performance and not to mention the history of the camaro dates back to the muscle car era jus like the challenger series but the main difference i think the fan base is better too.

I like to have a neutral approch when chiming in on these posts like this, you can type all the numbers you want and talk technical but what when i comes down to it. Do driver's have a better experience with the zl1 or hell kitty......? time will tell

<<posts that Chevy will always beat Dodge>>

<<Claims to be impartial>>

Okay tiger, enough internet for you.

SuperSound · 11-20-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Why place limitations on tires. To make it an even competition lets put the stickiest tires on both cars and let the cards fall where they may. I like both cars to be sure, they each have a place.

Because either it's stock or not. You can't sell a car with DRs from a manufacturer with them. Otherwise we might as well have an outlaw street 10.5 competition.

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SuperSound · 11-20-2016, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

<<posts that Chevy will always beat Dodge>>

<<Claims to be impartial>>

Okay tiger, enough internet for you.

Seriously. Someone shouldn't drink and post.

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396ssrat · 11-20-2016, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperSound

Because either it's stock or not. You can't sell a car with DRs from a manufacturer with them. Otherwise we might as well have an outlaw street 10.5 competition.

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You obviously doubt your car can compete on a level playing field. Common sense dictates sticky tires in competition.

SuperSound · 11-20-2016, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 396ssrat

You obviously doubt your car can compete on a level playing field. Common sense dictates sticky tires in competition.

You obviously doubt the Hellcat's ability to plant it's power to the ground. Is it because of the decades old chassis design or the under-tiring by lazy Dodge engineers?

Common sense dictates testing cars as they offered, not with what you can goto the aftermarket and buy to "fix" problems inherent to their design. You wouldn't want a 50 shot of nitrous on the ZL1 to "fix" it's shortage of HP would you?

Sven59 · 11-20-2016, 03:57 PM

Sounds like the fat kitty owners are having kitty nightmares.

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Sven59 HAMMER PILOT Drives: 13 ZL1#182, 85 CJ7, 16 Silverado Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 4,387	Sounds like the fat kitty owners are having kitty nightmares. __________________ "DO YOU WANT ME TO PUT THE HAMMER DOWN?"

11-19-2016, 08:03 PM	#885
nvrlast07 Drives: 2011 synergy green rs Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: grain valley, mo Posts: 62	man 55 pages of zl1 vs hellcat. there shouldn't be any pages, this thread never should have been posted, because chevy will always beat dodge, even if dodge really is better, i still think chevy is better. But on a side note, i pick the zl1 over the hell kitty any day, the looks, "overall" performance and not to mention the history of the camaro dates back to the muscle car era jus like the challenger series but the main difference i think the fan base is better too. I like to have a neutral approch when chiming in on these posts like this, you can type all the numbers you want and talk technical but what when i comes down to it. Do driver's have a better experience with the zl1 or hell kitty......? time will tell

11-19-2016, 08:27 PM	#886
Speedy1975 FASTER! Drives: Challenger Hellcat, 2SS Camaro Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 2,244	^^^ Oooooook?

11-20-2016, 12:05 PM	#888
Speedy1975 FASTER! Drives: Challenger Hellcat, 2SS Camaro Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 2,244	Unless those Supercar tires are practically DRs, it won't help much on anything over about 550RWHP. When I get a minute I'll read up on them to see what their specs are.

11-20-2016, 12:30 PM	#889
396ssrat Drives: 66 Chevelle SS Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,347	Why place limitations on tires. To make it an even competition lets put the stickiest tires on both cars and let the cards fall where they may. I like both cars to be sure, they each have a place.

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