Manual Transmission missing 2nd gear - Page 2

SS 1LE · 02-05-2016, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric SS

I know it's not the same tranny but my T56 would do this when cold from 1st to 2nd but that was as it aged, not when it was new. Is this happening on the Vettes as well? I would be concerned about longevity of the synchros if this happened right off the bat and you were sure that you were doing everything right.

Actually the TR6060 is a later version of the T56...name got changed when Tremec bought Borg Warner.

Eric SS · 02-05-2016, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Actually the TR6060 is a later version of the T56...name got changed when Tremec bought Borg Warner.

Huh, TIL. Thanks.

daverom · 02-05-2016, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by djm96z28

It's not the skip shift. I've had this happen a couple times in my car, usually in colder weather. The shifter isn't quite fully into 2nd gear. I've had mine actually pop out into neutral and was able to put it back into gear. Two or three times though, I've also tried to put it back into 2nd with the clutch still depressed and got a grind.

You just have to be sure it's completely in 2nd if you get the "notchy" feel of the shifter. If it pops out, just remember to let off the clutch, then press it again before putting it back into gear.

Thanks. That sounds similar to what I've experienced.

daverom · 02-05-2016, 06:01 PM

Today it did it only one time, but I noticed something I might have to test out. I shifted just as the "shift from 1 - 4" message disappeared....likely just as I got my RPM's high enough to avoid skip shift. I then shifted into second, lifted off the clutch, and it was in neutral.

So, maybe this happens just at the transition when skip shift shuts off. I am going to test this theory tomorrow and see if I can replicate it.

daverom · 02-05-2016, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Sounds to me like it's the CAGS, if you are going slow enough and hit the CAGS and are being too gentle, it may not move over to forth gear. So when you let off the clutch, you aren't fully in gear...

Does this ever happen at higher rpm's or just low rpm's?

Seems to just happen in lower RPM...like 2-3000 RPM. I haven't experienced it at higher RPM, but I'm still in my break-in period.

inkcoloredblack · 11-06-2016, 01:13 AM

I've had this issue a few times. Even a few grinds I throw back into neutral quick. It seems too only happen when the transmission is cold or still warming up. Would a change to a better fluid help?

TedJS · 11-06-2016, 07:53 PM

1st and 2nd gear on that transmission use triple cone synchros so a bit of extra shift effort when the fluid is cold is normal. It sounds like you have a problem with the synchronizer assembly not engaging fully on the 2nd speed gear causing the grinding/jumping out of gear. I would at least inform the dealer of the problem and document as things like that don't self repair and it will only get worse over time.

The CAGS or solenoid inhibit of 2nd and 3rd gears only happens between 15-19mph and the throttle is less than 13% so it is easy to avoid. It takes longer for the message to disappear than it does for the solenoid to turn off so you can shift into 2nd. If your analog speedo goes over 20 you can always shift right into 2nd even if the message is there.

I personally find the message more annoying them the lockout. I always shift into 2nd over 20 so I rarely encounter the lockout. When I do the lever simply is directed into 4th. It's not like you would be shifting under load into second since higher engine speeds (over 13% throttle) would negate operation of the system.

Good luck.

Whitemaro6 · 11-06-2016, 08:37 PM

When my trans is cold second can be a real bear even without dealing with skip shift. Often for me second will go in and engage but not without complaining first like its hitting something on the way in. Not a grind but a ratcheting sound. Also have done that not seated in second all the way and it pops out. Super embarrassing but glad to hear im not the only one with these issues. Hope this does not become a rear end like issue :(

inkcoloredblack · 11-18-2016, 02:15 AM

After a few weeks now with the CAGS skip shift eliminator I have not had any grinding issues with second gear upshifts. I have had a few times at low rpms that it feels like it went into gear, looks like its in gear, but when you press the throttle it revs out like its in neutral still. No grinding noise associated with this. One time it faked me out with reverse as well. No grinding at all. The shifts in the lower gears also take a lot of effort as I feel I'm pulling or pushing the shift through a bunch of notches before it sits into gear. I don't know how to explain this but it never smoothly flows from 1-2-3. Are these transmissions just that beefy that your expected to really pull it into gear and fight the notches. It is starting to get cold out, ambient temperatures are around freezing. Any thoughts?

6spdhyperblue · 11-18-2016, 06:06 AM

Unless you need the power of second gear, Just go straight to third when driving slow during warmup...just because the gear is there doesn't mean it has to be used in every situation

SS 1LE · 11-18-2016, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by inkcoloredblack

After a few weeks now with the CAGS skip shift eliminator I have not had any grinding issues with second gear upshifts. I have had a few times at low rpms that it feels like it went into gear, looks like its in gear, but when you press the throttle it revs out like its in neutral still. No grinding noise associated with this. One time it faked me out with reverse as well. No grinding at all. The shifts in the lower gears also take a lot of effort as I feel I'm pulling or pushing the shift through a bunch of notches before it sits into gear. I don't know how to explain this but it never smoothly flows from 1-2-3. Are these transmissions just that beefy that your expected to really pull it into gear and fight the notches. It is starting to get cold out, ambient temperatures are around freezing. Any thoughts?

If you are living in an area with temperatures below freezing often, you may want to look into a different fluid maybe?

...any transmission will take some time to warm up when it is freezing outside.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 11-18-2016, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by inkcoloredblack

After a few weeks now with the CAGS skip shift eliminator I have not had any grinding issues with second gear upshifts. I have had a few times at low rpms that it feels like it went into gear, looks like its in gear, but when you press the throttle it revs out like its in neutral still. No grinding noise associated with this. One time it faked me out with reverse as well. No grinding at all. The shifts in the lower gears also take a lot of effort as I feel I'm pulling or pushing the shift through a bunch of notches before it sits into gear. I don't know how to explain this but it never smoothly flows from 1-2-3. Are these transmissions just that beefy that your expected to really pull it into gear and fight the notches. It is starting to get cold out, ambient temperatures are around freezing. Any thoughts?

You should feel a satisfying "click" in each gate as you shift into the gear. Sometimes, the shifter will feel like it's in there, but it is not...also not a good idea to "ram" the shifter into each gear at low RPMs...it sometimes feels like you've made a gear change - and then "pop" out again.

I've had it happen to me many times...at least for my part, I started easing the shifter in as opposed to "banging through the gears", and I could feel that 'click' as the teeth engaged...

Also ensure the clutch is completely disengaged when shifting at low rpms...

avalonandl · 11-19-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by daverom

Seems to just happen in lower RPM...like 2-3000 RPM. I haven't experienced it at higher RPM, but I'm still in my break-in period.

There's a video on youtube about the "skipshift" as its called. You need to run the rpms up in first to about 2200. Suprised you didn't know this from the forum. Its been around 20 years....

tbrooks2 · 09-14-2017, 04:25 PM

This happens to me sometimes also. I also noticed twice now, at a stop light, if I put it in second gear to start, I've had it not filly engage in second. Basically it wouldn't go into second, moved it to neutral and then back to second. The first time I thought it was in and it grinded and kicked out. There appears to be an issue with 2nd on a lot of the 2016's from what I have read.

02-05-2016, 06:01 PM	#18
daverom Drives: 2016 2SS Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Lewisburg Pennsylvania Posts: 33	Today it did it only one time, but I noticed something I might have to test out. I shifted just as the "shift from 1 - 4" message disappeared....likely just as I got my RPM's high enough to avoid skip shift. I then shifted into second, lifted off the clutch, and it was in neutral. So, maybe this happens just at the transition when skip shift shuts off. I am going to test this theory tomorrow and see if I can replicate it.

11-06-2016, 01:13 AM	#20
inkcoloredblack Drives: 2017 Chevy Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: 17756 Posts: 17	I've had this issue a few times. Even a few grinds I throw back into neutral quick. It seems too only happen when the transmission is cold or still warming up. Would a change to a better fluid help?

11-06-2016, 07:53 PM	#21
TedJS Drives: 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 92	1st and 2nd gear on that transmission use triple cone synchros so a bit of extra shift effort when the fluid is cold is normal. It sounds like you have a problem with the synchronizer assembly not engaging fully on the 2nd speed gear causing the grinding/jumping out of gear. I would at least inform the dealer of the problem and document as things like that don't self repair and it will only get worse over time. The CAGS or solenoid inhibit of 2nd and 3rd gears only happens between 15-19mph and the throttle is less than 13% so it is easy to avoid. It takes longer for the message to disappear than it does for the solenoid to turn off so you can shift into 2nd. If your analog speedo goes over 20 you can always shift right into 2nd even if the message is there. I personally find the message more annoying them the lockout. I always shift into 2nd over 20 so I rarely encounter the lockout. When I do the lever simply is directed into 4th. It's not like you would be shifting under load into second since higher engine speeds (over 13% throttle) would negate operation of the system. Good luck.

11-06-2016, 08:37 PM	#22
Whitemaro6 Drives: 16 Summit white, Ceramic white 2SS Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Places Posts: 419	When my trans is cold second can be a real bear even without dealing with skip shift. Often for me second will go in and engage but not without complaining first like its hitting something on the way in. Not a grind but a ratcheting sound. Also have done that not seated in second all the way and it pops out. Super embarrassing but glad to hear im not the only one with these issues. Hope this does not become a rear end like issue :(

11-18-2016, 02:15 AM	#23
inkcoloredblack Drives: 2017 Chevy Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: 17756 Posts: 17	After a few weeks now with the CAGS skip shift eliminator I have not had any grinding issues with second gear upshifts. I have had a few times at low rpms that it feels like it went into gear, looks like its in gear, but when you press the throttle it revs out like its in neutral still. No grinding noise associated with this. One time it faked me out with reverse as well. No grinding at all. The shifts in the lower gears also take a lot of effort as I feel I'm pulling or pushing the shift through a bunch of notches before it sits into gear. I don't know how to explain this but it never smoothly flows from 1-2-3. Are these transmissions just that beefy that your expected to really pull it into gear and fight the notches. It is starting to get cold out, ambient temperatures are around freezing. Any thoughts?

11-18-2016, 06:06 AM	#24
6spdhyperblue Drives: 2SS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: US Posts: 3,786	Unless you need the power of second gear, Just go straight to third when driving slow during warmup...just because the gear is there doesn't mean it has to be used in every situation

09-14-2017, 04:25 PM	#28
tbrooks2 Drives: 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: May 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1	This happens to me sometimes also. I also noticed twice now, at a stop light, if I put it in second gear to start, I've had it not filly engage in second. Basically it wouldn't go into second, moved it to neutral and then back to second. The first time I thought it was in and it grinded and kicked out. There appears to be an issue with 2nd on a lot of the 2016's from what I have read.

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