[JLSuperfly]

I think someone should start a petition.

[TMasticTB91]

Originally Posted by JaxChris

Chevrolet Customer Care,

In all vehicles? When did you come drive my car?

To Chevrolet Customer Care,

This post serves as notice that I am requesting, on behalf of myself and the other concerned owners on this website, an electronic copy of any and all documents, photographs, notes, memos & any other type of record(s) related to the aforementioned "conducted verification testing" cited above.

As a federal safety agency guideline is being claimed, I also request that the specific NHTSA Test Procedure and Federal Mandated Vehicle Safety Standard inferred above is also disclosed. Along with these records, the location and controlled/measured atmospheric conditions used for the Testing Procedure should also be disclosed with dates and times.

Buyers have shown on here that the desired temperature of the HVAC system is not set to "max cold" when driving is persistently impaired and suggests that your testing is flawed and/or not representative of the climate in which the problem presents itself.

If I were to attempt to apply FMVSS 103 to the problem being reported to you, then it would fail since Area "C" is not clear of visual obstruction without repeated and "manual intervention".

If I were to attempt to apply FMVSS 205 to the problem being reported to you, then it would fail "to ensure a necessary degree of transparency in motor vehicle windows for driver visibility".

Please respond with acknowledged receipt of this request within 72 hours so that the concerned public is aware of your commitment to clear and open disclosure of your safety testing. We have read where GM has vowed to be more open, honest and proactive in testing of safety issues and communicating these tests to all parties. Everyone here will appreciate you demonstrating that resolve on this serious issue.

Thank you.

I'm going to reach out to my contact at the GM Exec Office with similar verbiage JaxChris.

The car is borderline unusable in mornings and evenings when the air temperature is in the 70s-80ish and the air is moisture-rich (high dew point and humidity).

Last night driving home around 8:30 I had the air set to 78 and STILL got fogging on my windshield. So not only is it warm, humid, and uncomfortable outside, but having temperate air blowing in the cabin still causes fogging?


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[classicrockr]

Originally Posted by TMasticTB91

I'm going to reach out to my contact at the GM Exec Office with similar verbiage JaxChris.

The car is borderline unusable in mornings and evenings when the air temperature is in the 70s-80ish and the air is moisture-rich (high dew point and humidity).

Last night driving home around 8:30 I had the air set to 78 and STILL got fogging on my windshield. So not only is it warm, humid, and uncomfortable outside, but having temperate air blowing in the cabin still causes fogging?


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Mine has even done it in the afternoons when it's hot outside & I've got the a/c on. The way it's going, the same thing will probably happen during the winter, then drivers in the colder climates will have ice on the windshield that can't be removed by simply using the wipers. I'm going to contact the district representative for this area this week & begin the dialogue process.

[Billabongi]

For what it's worth this is still an issue in the 17's. Just picked up my 50th 2LT\RS this weekend and on both drive-in's to work yesterday and today I've had fogging issues. It's puzzling to me how this passes any type of inspection. Were the test cars never driven in the south?

[Colt_H]

Originally Posted by Wheel Team 6

Epic

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[Darth Martel]

Wait, what?!?!?!? The retarded monkeys you have as engineers say that window condensation (fogging) produced by running our AC in vent mode when it's hot and humid out is NORMAL??? What kind of Mickey Mouse bullshit is that? I realize that the defrost vent being shut off isn't air tight but, good god man, if there's enough air hitting the windshield to cause it to fog up, the defrost vent is still on, not off as it should be. Standing behind the NHTSA specifications is bullshit. This shouldn't surprise us though coming from the company that waited until 13 people died from shitty ignition switches that they KNEW would fail, before actually acknowledging it, let alone do anything about it. So, are people going to have to lose their lives before you assclowns acknowledge that you screwed up? It's not enough that you have angry customers you're just ignoring, hoping we just suck it up and deal with it. Angry customers apparently isn't a big issue to you guys. We're a pretty vocal bunch when provoked. This is definitely provocation in my eyes.

Originally Posted by Chevrolet Customer Svc

Hello all,

We appreciate your patience while we took the time to investigate this concern further. After additional review, General Motors has conducted verification testing on all vehicles in regard to the condensation on the exterior of the glass in vent mode. GM has verified the air bleed to the windshield is normal and meets the NHTSA specifications. In high humidity days, if the AC is on max cold, due to the natural reaction of the temperatures and humidity it is normal for condensation to form on the glass. It may be necessary to increase the air temperature on HVAC settings to eliminate this condition. We're very sorry for any ongoing frustration this caused, but this is considered to be normal operation.

Sincerely,

Eddie A.
Chevrolet Customer Care

[mt3130]

Originally Posted by Darth Martel

Wait, what?!?!?!? The retarded monkeys you have as engineers say that window condensation (fogging) produced by running our AC in vent mode when it's hot and humid out is NORMAL??? What kind of Mickey Mouse bullshit is that? I realize that the defrost vent being shut off isn't air tight but, good god man, if there's enough air hitting the windshield to cause it to fog up, the defrost vent is still on, not off as it should be. Standing behind the NHTSA specifications is bullshit. This shouldn't surprise us though coming from the company that waited until 13 people died from shitty ignition switches that they KNEW would fail, before actually acknowledging it, let alone do anything about it. So, are people going to have to lose their lives before you assclowns acknowledge that you screwed up? It's not enough that you have angry customers you're just ignoring, hoping we just suck it up and deal with it. Angry customers apparently isn't a big issue to you guys. We're a pretty vocal bunch when provoked. This is definitely provocation in my eyes.

This kind of stuff is the exact reason why I haven't pulled the trigger on the Camaro yet. I've owned one other GM vehicle, and it had tons of minor nagging issues that the dealer and manufacturer refused to acknowledge were problems. In that regard, it seems like not much has changed.

Legally, its a different entity, but the spirit of old GM rolls on. I just can't understand why GM would go through the trouble of designing world class cars, only to hamper them with minor but super annoying design flaws and the build quality of a 1990s Hyundai.

[sonnydurden]

Originally Posted by TMasticTB91

I'm going to reach out to my contact at the GM Exec Office with similar verbiage JaxChris.

The car is borderline unusable in mornings and evenings when the air temperature is in the 70s-80ish and the air is moisture-rich (high dew point and humidity).

Last night driving home around 8:30 I had the air set to 78 and STILL got fogging on my windshield. So not only is it warm, humid, and uncomfortable outside, but having temperate air blowing in the cabin still causes fogging?


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Yep!! Unusable unless you want to burn to death inside your car! Same thing with me Sunday night. It was 80 and extremely humid. Even with the windows rolled down and nothing on you get this fogging glare that is so phucking annoying. Solution? I had to roll up the windows and put the temp on 82...so you have choice. Die of heat exhaustion or die from a head on collision from not seeing out your front windshield

[Whis]

Originally Posted by Chevrolet Customer Svc

GM has verified the air bleed to the windshield is normal and meets the NHTSA specifications.

Sincerely,

Eddie A.
Chevrolet Customer Care

For right now. Good luck on that continuing.

[motorhead]

If they hold the line on a denying warranty on an oil pump when they are known to fail on LS3s due to a catch can being installed, it doesn't surprise me that this design flaw will not get any action. It will quietly get fixed in later models and you early R&D consumers will be screwed.

[Wheel Team 6]

Originally Posted by Chevrolet Customer Svc

Hello all,

We appreciate your patience while we took the time to investigate this concern further. After additional review, General Motors has conducted verification testing on all vehicles in regard to the condensation on the exterior of the glass in vent mode. GM has verified the air bleed to the windshield is normal and meets the NHTSA specifications. In high humidity days, if the AC is on max cold, due to the natural reaction of the temperatures and humidity it is normal for condensation to form on the glass. It may be necessary to increase the air temperature on HVAC settings to eliminate this condition. We're very sorry for any ongoing frustration this caused, but this is considered to be normal operation.

Sincerely,

Eddie A.
Chevrolet Customer Care

Unfortunately this will be my last GM vehicle due to this nonsense. Funny thing is yesterday gm and my dealer sent another survey my way. I'm up to about a dozen useless gm/dealer surveys.

[Boilermaker128]

I can't believe what I read. If this problem is present in winter it'll make everything come to light really quick. With the already limited visibility they have to stack more odds against your safety. It can't be a hard or expensive fix. I can see sales taking a hit as this news spreads to future buyers.

Please God fix this before The ZL1 comes out.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by Boilermaker128

I can't believe what I read. If this problem is present in winter it'll make everything come to light really quick. With the already limited visibility they have to stack more odds against your safety. It can't be a hard or expensive fix. I can see sales taking a hit as this news spreads to future buyers.

Please God fix this before The ZL1 comes out.

Unfortunately, the only fix we will see is if someone starts selling precut defrost vent covers on EBay.

[JaxChris]

Originally Posted by mt3130

This kind of stuff is the exact reason why I haven't pulled the trigger on the Camaro yet. I've owned one other GM vehicle, and it had tons of minor nagging issues that the dealer and manufacturer refused to acknowledge were problems. In that regard, it seems like not much has changed.

Legally, its a different entity, but the spirit of old GM rolls on. I just can't understand why GM would go through the trouble of designing world class cars, only to hamper them with minor but super annoying design flaws and the build quality of a 1990s Hyundai.

Seriously, don't pick it up. Just go get a Mustang and be more satisfied with your purchase than we are. They may not be as quick, but they also don't cost as much and they are more comfortable to ride in.