[KMK454]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

This really isn't the first time though..

The 2010 V6 was "within the performance window" of the 2010 Mustang GT with the old 4.6 3V..in the real world, with average drivers, it wasn't that close.

I'm not knocking the V6 1LE, it's a great bargain and really sets the bar for non-V6 performance packages. However, that being said, I also can see where someone will get a V6 1LE, get cleaned up by a GTPP, and then be completely confused because "the LL said the LT 1LE was faster!?"

I agree, and I can also see where someone will get a V6 1LE, clean up a GTPP at track day, and leave the Mustang owner completely confused because V8>V6.

The point is, the V6 cars used to be all show and no go. If you knew you had the V8 pony car and a V6 was in the area, it wasn't worth your time. That's no longer the case.

[2cnd chance]

Regarding ZL1 vs 1LE just look to the Z06 vs GS. At VIR 2.5 seconds difference.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by NCSD

Why are the motor trend results different than the Car and driver results?
Is it the way they do the testing? The tracks favor certain cars? What is it?

Professional driver? Same car, same day?
Random drivers, different ability levels?

How does the 1LE match the z28 on one track and not the other. Something doesn't make sense.

Track design can favor different cars abilities. Also a pro driver can extract more out of a car that's difficult to drive, ie Viper.

[Egon]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Track design can favor different cars abilities. Also a pro driver can extract more out of a car that's difficult to drive, ie Viper.

The last part I think is one of the biggest factors in the LL. Cars that have a shallow learning curve do very well, ones that require a bit more finesse or are generally more capable but cantankerous do not do as well. It's all data though and we need to weigh it accordingly. The good thing about the Lightning Lap comparison is they have historical data and you get to compare, even if imperfectly, some cars that otherwise would not be run head to head for an article. For instance the ATS-V and the new SS 1LE, or a Hellcat and a GT350R.

[RLHMARINES]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

It needs to be it's own trim now, because it goes totally beyond just a suspension option. It's now a total performance package (brakes, wheels, rubber, suspension, seats, differential) etc...

Given the changes to the interior it brings with it..it should be it's own trim level.

This has always been the case.....nothing new to report here

[RLHMARINES]

Originally Posted by BryceClark89

Regardless of the year difference and driver. A GTPP is posted a lap 1.2 seconds slower than V61LE camaro the end. Proof enough to me that if it can do it once it can do it again. That being said strait line performance is a totally different story of course. Interesting that the GT350R was 3.0 seconds quicker than the V81LE at VIR but around 1.4seconds est quicker at Laguna Seca. also note that the GT350R & V81LE are quicker than last gen Z/28 at Laguna seca....all the while neither the GT350R nor V81LE beat the Z/28s VIR LAP

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

VIR is a longer track with more long straights, MRLS is a fairly tight track with only 2 real straights, and even then the big one is uphill with a bend in the middle.

I suspect that on a more technical slower track the advantages of the CF wheels and its unsprung weight advantage as it relates to corner acceleration speeds might be the difference but on a longer faster track Z/28's cornering speed with regards to the late braking advantage from the CF brakes may be the key difference here. The Z/28 is definitely a momentum car from what I've seen.

[Rsblueblood]

Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

So this may be a tad off topic but how much extra power do you guys think the GT PP would need to make up that 9.8sec gap to the 1LE at VIR???

I ask this because a friend of mine just got a GT PP for $32k and says all he has to do is drop a pro charger in and will keep up with me for still less money. I think he will need a lot more power than he thinks to keep up haha

Go check out Nemesis 5.0 that will answer you're question. Oh it's a very nice Mustang.

So the v6 1le beat the 5.0 witch is really hard to belive, the 5.0 probably was stock so with some minor mods say CAI,exhaust,and a tune probably would be a different outcome and the v6 could answer back with.........

[doc7000]

Originally Posted by Rsblueblood

Go check out Nemesis 5.0 that will answer you're question. Oh it's a very nice Mustang.

So the v6 1le beat the 5.0 witch is really hard to belive, the 5.0 probably was stock so with some minor mods say CAI,exhaust,and a tune probably would be a different outcome and the v6 could answer back with.........

To your second point.... all of the cars that Car and Driver runs at their lightning lap are stock vehicles. It was a stock Mustang GT with PP......

I will say though that there are not too many things that you can do to the LGX engine, except add twin turbos to it in order to make a crap ton of money. There might be some tuners that will work with this engine (I remember some pushing the 304BHP V-6 in the CTS up to about 340BHP).

The reason why the V-6 1LE was able to put up a competitive lap time compared to the Mustang GT has a lot to do with weight (or lack there of). Also the 1LE V-6 probably out handles and out brakes the Mustang GT even with the PP on it.

[RyanR3KC]

Yeah man...the Mustang6 forums are torn up over this. Now Lightning Lap is just as biased as "ChevyTrend."

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BryceClark89

Regardless of the year difference and driver. A GTPP is posted a lap 1.2 seconds slower than V61LE camaro the end. Proof enough to me that if it can do it once it can do it again. That being said strait line performance is a totally different story of course. Interesting that the GT350R was 3.0 seconds quicker than the V81LE at VIR but around 1.4seconds est quicker at Laguna Seca. also note that the GT350R & V81LE are quicker than last gen Z/28 at Laguna seca....all the while neither the GT350R nor V81LE beat the Z/28s VIR LAP

You have no idea who the driver was for each lap, what the track conditions were, what the da was etc. On the same day with the same driver, the GTPP could very well be seconds faster than the V61LE or vice versa. Great vs poor DA can take off 1/2 second in a 1/4 mile blast. Imagine what it would do on that track.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

You have no idea who the driver was for each lap, what the track conditions were, what the da was etc. On the same day with the same driver, the GTPP could very well be seconds faster than the V61LE or vice versa. Great vs poor DA can take off 1/2 second in a 1/4 mile blast. Imagine what it would do on that track.

Fact is the V6 1LE is far closer to the GTPP than the GTPP is the SS 1LE.

Another interesting aspect is to look at how the GT fits between the Camaro SS and Camaro V6 for 1/4 performance in this comparison. The V6 is closer to the GT than the GT is the SS.

Camaro SS : 12.3 sec @ 114 mph
Mustang GT: 13.2 sec @ 111 mph
Camaro V6 : 13.6 sec @ 103 mph

Ouch.

http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/com...enge-part-i-ii

[90503]

It's nice to see the V-6 1LE making a good splash in the mix. Adding more fuel to the fire of competition is a good thing.

Plus, it might give the Mustang some kind of target they can brag about beating.

[SpeedIsLife]

Anyone who thinks the V6 Camaro is even remotely a threat to any GT Mustang on a drag strip has no idea whatsoever about actual drag racing. The times highlighted above vindicate that position, not supporting the closeness of the times.

In reality the Mustang is a high 12 second car, stock, on a drag strip. The Camaro V6 is a high 13 second car, and the SS a low-to-flat 12 second car with an auto, or a mid-ish 12 second car with a manual

All depending on driver skill and weather of course

[Richard0nee]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Fact is the V6 1LE is far closer to the GTPP than the GTPP is the SS 1LE.

Another interesting aspect is to look at how the GT fits between the Camaro SS and Camaro V6 for 1/4 performance in this comparison. The V6 is closer to the GT than the GT is the SS.

Camaro SS : 12.3 sec @ 114 mph
Mustang GT: 13.2 sec @ 111 mph
Camaro V6 : 13.6 sec @ 103 mph

Ouch.

http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/com...enge-part-i-ii

I would say that after owning, driving the GT PP it feels much faster than 13.2. Handful of magazines also got 12.9 for the GT PP.. But nothing less than 12.9 for the M6.

I would imagine the GT PP to struggle with the SS on a road course as well. The V6 1LE borrowed suspension parts from the SS.. I'm still shocked how the V6 1LE being that close to the GT PP. Drag them, the 5.0 will still handle the V6 1LE at the drags tho. But that's fine, a lot of people who track will now consider the car.

Will I take a V6 1LE over a base SS? Never! But that's me

Good job V6 1LE!