[Zack46]

Originally Posted by KyleL

But you're also comparing a human shifting a manual v8 vs a computer shifting an auto v6.....at least compare the same driver, trans for trans if you're going to bench race.

Now, I admit, you do have a slight point there.....

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by KyleL

Why do people on forums bench race so much? Just line your shit up against a 5th gen SS and find out!

0-60 doesn't mean shit. A 2001 mustang gt could run a 0-60 race close with a 2001 ls1 f body but we all know what happens from 61+mph. No one races 0-60 only either. In 20 years of racing everything from lawn movers to go karts to 3 wheelers to cars and trucks, I've never had one person say "say bruh, let's run 0-60 but that's it!"......dumb

0-60 isn't quoted because its a popular way to race. Just like nobody races anyone to a stop by holding a steady speed and slamming on the brakes to see who stops soonest, or sees how fast they can drive their cars in a tight circle. No, 0-60, 60 (or 70) to 0, and skidpad are all standardized metrics that give you an idea about how well a car performs. In the case of 0-60, it tells you how fast a car can accelerate at street speeds. Would 0-30 and 40-70 be more relevant to drivers? Probably ... but 0-60 was decided decades ago by magazines to be a critical piece of data regarding a cars performance. If you don't like it, take it up with Motor Trend and Car & Driver. They're the ones responsible for its popularity.




Also, one person lining one car up against someone else in their car only tells you if that one specific person is faster (or slower) than one other specific person in their one specific car. Can't use that to generalize about how your car fares against others, not when driver skill and experience play such a big role (not to mention mods made to the other car).

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by MiamiBlueCamaro

Wow they are very "close".......From Car and Driver.

Those SS numbers look like they're for a convertible, based on the weight & slowness

[MovieGuy]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

If thats the end of the thread, you probably shouldn't follow it with a request for someone to post something



6th gen V6

~3450 lb/335 hp = 10.3 lb/hp


5th Gen SS
~3900 lb / 413* hp = 9.4 hp/hp
*splitting the difference between the LS3 & L99




The new V6 has about a 10% worse power to weight ratio than the old SS. Thats a pretty big difference.


I didn't have time to post this before, but the only time I've seen the numbers that the OP quoted for the V6 is Chevy's press release for the car. The cars that the magazines have tested tend to be slower by a couple tenths. Meanwhile, I don't recall ever seeing 4.7 & 13.3 for the 5th gen SS. I believe the original press release quoted a 0-60 in 4.4 & 1/4 in 13 flat. Most magazine tests had about a 4.6 run to 60 as I remember with the 1/4 being either 12.9 or 13.0.

So, comparing apples to apples its more like a 0.8 second gap (instead of 0.2).

Here are similar numbers from Hot Rod Magazine site
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/offic...ghts-are-here/

[KyleL]

Originally Posted by Zack46

Now, I admit, you do have a slight point there.....

Look, I'm not trying to start a v6 vs v8 thing here, all I'm trying to do is encourage those who are curious to take it to the track and find out firsthand. hotlap posted mustang gt times in with the Camaro times and I can promise that if you check the mustang forums you'll find plenty of gt owners who can driver their m6 or a6 car to a better time than a 12.8. You're not taking into consideration DA, driver ability, trans (in one case where an m6 was compared to an a8), etc.

So go to the local track and find out for yourself and have fun doing it

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by MovieGuy

Here are similar numbers from Hot Rod Magazine site
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/offic...ghts-are-here/

Taken straight from the GM press release:

http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/chev...14-camaro.html

[MiamiBlueCamaro]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Those SS numbers look like they're for a convertible, based on the weight & slowness

Correct, now i am looking for a "slow" Gen 5 Camaro Convertible V8 and see what happens......

[KyleL]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

0-60 isn't quoted because its a popular way to race. Just like nobody races anyone to a stop by holding a steady speed and slamming on the brakes to see who stops soonest, or sees how fast they can drive their cars in a tight circle. No, 0-60, 60 (or 70) to 0, and skidpad are all standardized metrics that give you an idea about how well a car performs. In the case of 0-60, it tells you how fast a car can accelerate at street speeds. Would 0-30 and 40-70 be more relevant to drivers? Probably ... but 0-60 was decided decades ago by magazines to be a critical piece of data regarding a cars performance. If you don't like it, take it up with Motor Trend and Car & Driver. They're the ones responsible for its popularity.




Also, one person lining one car up against someone else in their car only tells you if that one specific person is faster (or slower) than one other specific person in their one specific car. Can't use that to generalize about how your car fares against others, not when driver skill and experience play such a big role (not to mention mods made to the other car).

I agree with some of your points, but that's how you test the true performance of a car, by testing how fast it accelerates and how fast it stops and how fast it corners, etc. but the OP posted 0-60 times ONLY and used that as a benchmark of comparison, which no one uses that data ONLY to determine the performance of a car, like you cited.

It doesn't take into consideration what one person can do under their conditions. For example, I got a 12.2@115 in the humid heat of south Louisiana out of my a8 SS, so does that mean I have some freak of a car bc I got a better time than the magazines or GM did? No, it just means that even in the humid heat, I probably still had better air than they did when they tested.....bc I seriously doubt I'm a better driver lol

That's why I say, yet again, if you want to find out if your 6th gen v6 is close to a 5th gen SS, go line up against one and find out

[Zack46]

Originally Posted by KyleL

Look, I'm not trying to start a v6 vs v8 thing here, all I'm trying to do is encourage those who are curious to take it to the track and find out firsthand. hotlap posted mustang gt times in with the Camaro times and I can promise that if you check the mustang forums you'll find plenty of gt owners who can driver their m6 or a6 car to a better time than a 12.8. You're not taking into consideration DA, driver ability, trans (in one case where an m6 was compared to an a8), etc.

So go to the local track and find out for yourself and have fun doing it

Now if I go to the track I would probably screw something up and total my car. Ha Ha

But, even on youtube, I can't find any racing of any kind either on a street or track between the 2016 Camaro V6 going head to head against a 2015 SS. I would love to see this. It seems there are video posts of just about every other car including the 2016 Camaro SS going up against mustangs, challengers, BMW M4s, etc........

[MovieGuy]

Car and Driver tested the 2015 SS at 12.9 in the quarter
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...le-test-review

[JaxChris]

If a 300lbs driver in a 5th gen 2SS M6 with PZero's lined up with a 125lbs driver in a 6th gen 1LT V6 A8 with NT05's, then there could be a race where the SS only won by .2s. The post from car & driver showing 0-60, 0-100 & 1/4 mile shows the only close race would probably be on the 1/8 mile, after that the SS will start to walk because of its' higher power to the rear.

Please also remember that these tests were not done on the same day, same location or same conditions.

I'm not saying the 6th gen V6 isn't far quicker than the 5th gen it replaced, but there should be a big asterisk next to any quoted performance figures that says "your results may vary".

[KyleL]

Originally Posted by Zack46

Now if I go to the track I would probably screw something up and total my car. Ha Ha

But, even on youtube, I can't find any racing of any kind either on a street or track between the 2016 Camaro V6 going head to head against a 2015 SS. I would love to see this. It seems there are video posts of just about every other car including the 2016 Camaro SS going up against mustangs, challengers, BMW M4s, etc........

nah, I've been down the 1/4 plenty of times, and with my luck, all I've done was blow up a battery lol. You'll be more than fine

that's perfect though, you cant find one on youtube, then make your own

theres some videos on youtube of stock mustangs beating stock 6th gen ss's....does that make it the norm? when I had my '00 SS I had a friend with an '07 350z who swore up and down that his bolt on z would WALK my fbod....and used youtube to prove his point. so we lined up in person and his little feeling were crushed when my stock ls1 walked past him, because, sometimes youtube isn't gospel, fellas

[Richard0nee]

I would say the 15 SS will beat a 6th Gen V6 but not by a whole lot. It's hard to compare street racing since the driver has everything to do with it.

Using magazine times (They're the pro's driving right?) as a reference isn't too bad of an idea. I know I have used it for cars I don't know much about for reference.

Best test is the track showing the 60' and DA. Our fast list has the 6th Gen M6 SS hitting 12.2 or so and 12 flat for the auto (possibly even high 11's). I'm sure theres a fast list for the 5th Gen SS and is there one for the 6th Gen V6?

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Richard0nee

I would say the 15 SS will beat a 6th Gen V6 but not by a whole lot. It's hard to compare street racing since the driver has everything to do with it.

Using magazine times (They're the pro's driving right?) as a reference isn't too bad of an idea. I know I have used it for cars I don't know much about for reference.

Best test is the track showing the 60' and DA. Our fast list has the 6th Gen M6 SS hitting 12.2 or so and 12 flat for the auto (possibly even high 11's). I'm sure theres a fast list for the 5th Gen SS and is there one for the 6th Gen V6?

5th Gen SS Fast List:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21013
Fastest Run: 12.588 @ 110.3 mph


6th Gen V6 Fast List:
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=428940
Fastest Run: nobody has submitted a time-slip yet