[merlin803]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Someone correct me if I am wrong but hasn't Corvette been fighting that fight to get recognized with the likes of Porche since the 60s?

That may be true but they actually upped the performance and quality to a different level just over recent years.

[merlin803]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I know thats why i put the LOL.

Different areas and its complete 180 haha

Ok, got ya. It's sometimes hard to get the intended meaning over the interwebs

[bballr4567]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

well, do we really know that is the case, is there a verifiable and accurate source for this?

If so, it is a good point.

Yea, it was a Jan 4, 2016 news blurb about it. Changes can and do happen all the time but they will keep referencing that third shift a lot.

Still, no confirmation that the 3rd shift has actually started or that the hiring process was even finished.

[newb]

I made the statement months ago that GM appears to be attempting to move all of their cars upscale a notch in price and quality. Does that leave the Mustang to it's own segment? Who knows. But clearly Camaro is not trying to stay on the Mustang level. They are faster, higher quality, and more expensive. That tells me they aren't trying to play to the same crowd as the mustang. Maybe in the lower trims, but not in the SS and up.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by triggerjerk

The profit-per-unit drum bangers need to look up fixed vs. variable costs . . .

This car is over priced when you consider that it is a 100% parts-bin wonder.
I still think it is an awesome car and I plan on robbing a bank to get a ZL-1 but GM's
strategy seems to not be working.

Was alpha really that expensive to produce? Is the ATS also overpriced? If so, are ATS buyers subsidizing Camaro production. Is it the other way around? Do economies of scale no longer apply with the new GM?

And the whole "less units for higher resale" is bs. What good are resale values to a manufacturer if it doesn't translate into higher sales/revenue?

Overpriced because it's a parts bin wonder? Umm, okay.. It uses BETTER parts, hence the higher price. It's pretty simple actually.

The car doesn't wheel hop like a mother****er. The transmission is better. The car is lighter than competitor all while having a bigger gas tank. The car is lighter than competitor while running on heavier 20 inch wheels and heavier run flat tires. The car is lighter than competitor while having a heavier and better transmission. The car has 55 more torque and 20 extra horsepower while getting the same fuel economy as Mustang manual to manual. Camaro doesn't have a floaty feel due to the suspension like Mustang does. Camaro has a better instrument cluster. Camaro doesn't have buttons on dash galore on the base v8 model. It kills the base Mustang on the strip and the track.

These things may not be worth an extra 4k over the base Mustang to most people or 1.5 more over a GT PP to most people, but it doesn't make it overpriced for what it offers.

You can fix the suspension issues issues and lack of tires on the base Mustang with aftermarket and it'll probably be a great performer. 1200 for handling package and whatever it costs someone to install it if you're not doing it yourself.. You can probably pick up somewhat decent wheels and tires for 2,500, but nothing high end.

Higher resale values may help GM by potential customer purchasing new instead of used due to prices.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by triggerjerk

The profit-per-unit drum bangers need to look up fixed vs. variable costs . . .

Go tell it to GM, it's their strategy...maybe you can be CEO.

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by bballr4567

Yea, it was a Jan 4, 2016 news blurb about it. Changes can and do happen all the time but they will keep referencing that third shift a lot.

Still, no confirmation that the 3rd shift has actually started or that the hiring process was even finished.

Really?
4 April 2016
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/s...lant/82655242/

The Lansing Grand River Assembly plant has fully transitioned to a third shift.
General Motors Co. had hired 500 people in January to prepare for the new shift, which was added due to the increasing demand for the Chevrolet Camaro....


Lansing Grand River Assembly reinstated the second shift last summer when it began producing the 2016 Camaro, rehiring most of the 450 people it had laid off in January 2015. Today, roughly 2,300 people are employed at the plant.

ATS/CTS required one shift. Shift two was added summer 2015 for Camaro production. Shift three added because of expected increased demand for the Camaro. GM expected more sales plain and simple. The evidence is there. This isn't rocket science or some tinfoil hat conspiracy.

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by Posaune

Really?
4 April 2016
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/s...lant/82655242/


ATS/CTS required one shift. Shift two was added summer 2015 for Camaro production. Shift three added because of expected increased demand for the Camaro. GM expected more sales plain and simple. The evidence is there. This isn't rocket science or some tinfoil hat conspiracy.

'Expected' increased demand. This was 4 months ago.

I wonder if they got the 'expected increased demand' (based on their forecasts) or not?

You just never know.

[bballr4567]

Originally Posted by Posaune

Really?
4 April 2016
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/s...lant/82655242/


ATS/CTS required one shift. Shift two was added summer 2015 for Camaro production. Shift three added because of expected increased demand for the Camaro. GM expected more sales plain and simple. The evidence is there. This isn't rocket science or some tinfoil hat conspiracy.

Thank you.

I appreciate your insight on this topic.


Yes, GM expected more sales. It isn't happening. You want to continue to dwell on the past? Fine.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by Thor142

We're attacking other Camaro's now? Dude, you really do come across as severely butthurt in a lot of your posts and get very defensive. Why so serious? Did you design the car? Do you work on the assembly line? What gives?

He specifically named me in his post to another forum member. I didn't attack him, I posted my response

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by Raven87

'Expected' increased demand. This was 4 months ago.

I wonder if they got the 'expected increased demand' (based on their forecasts) or not?

You just never know.

I'd guess it was their forecast. Start work in April to get more product out in May, June and July, Camaros historically strongest months. Inventory has increased greatly over those months (I posted that earlier). Sales did not keep up and now there is 4+ months of inventory on the lots.

It's clear something is off.

[Realist]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

He specifically named me in his post to another forum member. I didn't attack him, I posted my response

Um you called me an idiot. My feelings are hurt and I need some safe space. Where is that on Camaro6?

[MovieGuy]

Originally Posted by Realist

Um you called me an idiot. My feelings are hurt and I need some safe space. Where is that on Camaro6?

The Off Topic Discussions is a safe place

[xray]

Originally Posted by Posaune

Really?
4 April 2016
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/s...lant/82655242/


ATS/CTS required one shift. Shift two was added summer 2015 for Camaro production. Shift three added because of expected increased demand for the Camaro. GM expected more sales plain and simple. The evidence is there. This isn't rocket science or some tinfoil hat conspiracy.

Thank you for this. You're the only one I've seen who actually has some proof that what they're saying is correct. Haven't known what to believe otherwise.